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Uncle Meat

scallopino - 5-12-2005 at 15:51

I wish kids could name their uncles. I would name mine Uncle Meat. Or Unkie Meat. Or Unkie von Meatterson.

Oh btw, this album is a masterpiece.

Q1: What the fuck does "primer mi carucha" mean? I've tried online translators to no avail...

Q2: Is "The Air" the funniest piece of music you've ever heard?

BBP - 5-12-2005 at 19:04

I love Uncle Meat!

Q1: Check out: http://www.arf.ru/Notes/Uncle/dogbr.html

And for Tengo na Minchia Tanta, which I'll never sing aloud evermore: http://www.arf.ru/Notes/Uncle/tengo.html

Pappawas1975 - 6-12-2005 at 07:03

Uncle Meat does indeed KILL...

scallopino - 7-12-2005 at 03:24

Thanks for the links BBP. I recently edited a new version of UM from the double CD, without the 40 minutes of film excerpt and without Tengo Na Minchia Tanta.

Re: Tengo. You should be able to sing it anywhere, but just not amongst Italians!

Did you guys know that FZ wrote A Pound For A Brown in '58, when he was 17 or 18?

BBP - 7-12-2005 at 14:44

That's new for me... Where did you get that information?

scallopino - 8-12-2005 at 14:43

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Originally posted by BBP
That's new for me... Where did you get that information?

And here comes the reference in the forehead, typed just how the School of History would like it:

Bernard, Jonathan W., "The Musical World(s?) of Frank Zappa: Some Observations of His 'Crossover' Pieces", in Everett, Walter (ed.), Expression in Pop-Rock Music: A Collection of Critical And Analytical Essays, New York and London, Garland Publishing Inc., 2000, p. 185.

And here comes the quote in the forehead:

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although there is no record of its public performance by Zappa and his musicians before 1968, the composition reputedly dates in its earliest version from 1957-1958, when Zappa was still in high school. It was orignally conceived as a string quartet and had at least one other following movement or section; this additional music, later known as 'Sleeping in a Jar', remained part of 'A Pound for a Brown' in live performance until at least as late as 1971. Judging from the fact that as late as November 1968 Zappa was still announcing this two-part 'suite' as 'The String Quartet', the title by which the first of these became eventually and definitively known was attached only shortly before its first recorded release, on Uncle Meat (1969).

Btw, by "crossover pieces" he means those compositions which were written/arranged for one form of ensemble (eg. The Mothers), and then rearranged later on for a different ensemble (eg. the Ensemble Modern). Examples crossover pieces are those like Dupree's Paradise, Envelopes, Strictly Genteel etc. The author's intention is to investigate the practical, stylistic and conventional issues involved in such rearrangements.

BBP - 8-12-2005 at 21:13

Wow... Thanks Scallop!

BTW Funniest piece of music I ever heard might be Kamagurka and Johan de Smet, entitled "Oh Sabrina, wat heb je met mijn snor gedaan?" (Oh Sabrina, what have you done with my moustache?)

[Edited on 8-12-2005 by BBP]

Master_of_Reality - 9-12-2005 at 02:55

Uncle Meat is tied for my favorite Mothers' album this and Weasels Ripped My Flesh are astounding, the whole King Kong sequence is love.

Badchild - 7-4-2008 at 13:00

Last week i got an e-mail from a long lost friend of mine. He was an up and coming artist in his twenties when we hung out. He is now and accomplished artist and professor. He told me of a time he and i were going to an exhibition opening and on the drive down, we had listened to some music. He wanted to know what it was because it had haunted him for all these years.

Well it was Uncle Meat and the piece that got under his skin was 'Nine types of industrial Polution". He is an accomplished pianist and when he heard this music he was completely overwhelmed by it. I sent him an mp3 of it because he want's to incorporate it into his new piece of sculpture.
Also, gave him gails adresse. He was not however surprised that it was FZ because he knew that there was a 99% chance that any music we listened to in 1979 and in my car could be no other....

Badchild - 7-4-2008 at 13:10

Oh by the way if anyone is interested here is my friends website....

http://www.dandatadugas.com

And so not to get off topic here....

I think that "Electric Aunt jemima" should be taught in every kindergarden class in the world.

Edit: I helped him build the CUBE ALEPHE way back when...it has nine doors to a side and when you open one something happens inside...if you open others at the same time, something else happens with sounds and music.

[Edited on 8-4-2008 by Badchild]

polydigm - 7-4-2008 at 22:10

Hey Badchild, you need to edit the link in your post. It's not formatted properly.

scallopino - 8-4-2008 at 11:34

As I said above, though a few years ago, I love Uncle Meat a hell of a lot. Without Tengo and the film excerpts that is.

BBP - 8-4-2008 at 14:38

Anyone seen the film?
I haven't, but I enjoy the excerpts... though I have heard them after one play.

Badchild - 8-4-2008 at 15:49

You heard them after (only) one play ????

BBP - 8-4-2008 at 17:18

Oh yeah. I don't usually listen to CDs wearing earplugs. :drums:

scallopino - 9-4-2008 at 11:47

But why the fuck would they place them in the middle of the album! :freak:

I don't understand it. Why didn't they put the album on one cd and then the other stuff on another one?

BBP - 9-4-2008 at 13:42

Don't know. But you can always program your CD player! And if you're complaining about having to change CDs midway, remember it was a double-vinyl once, requiring 3 switches.

punknaynowned - 9-4-2008 at 19:03

I saw the movie a long time ago.
It kinda has a plot.
Has lots of concert footage but not whole songs as I recall.
Lots of cal schenckel art I think. A shower scene with Don Preston, Phyllis Altenhaus and a hamburger.
Mothers antics galore. Frank mostly acts like he's behind the scenes, working as narrator.

polydigm - 9-4-2008 at 22:38

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Originally posted by scallopino
But why the fuck would they place them in the middle of the album! :freak:

I don't understand it. Why didn't they put the album on one cd and then the other stuff on another one?

When the Uncle Meat CDs were first produced, the standard CD couldn't fit the whole of the album which is just over 75 minutes. I think CDs started out at 70 minutes maximum and now they can fit 80 minutes. I don't know if this is what influenced Zappa's decision to do what he did instead of just putting two vinyl sides per CD or something similar.

I've burnt myself a single disc Uncle Meat as well. It's great to be able to play the whole album through from one CD.

scallopino - 10-4-2008 at 09:13

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Originally posted by punknaynowned
I saw the movie a long time ago.
It kinda has a plot.
Has lots of concert footage but not whole songs as I recall.
Lots of cal schenckel art I think. A shower scene with Don Preston, Phyllis Altenhaus and a hamburger.
Mothers antics galore. Frank mostly acts like he's behind the scenes, working as narrator.

That hamburger/shower scene is one of the bits they put on the cd I think.

scallopino - 10-4-2008 at 09:19

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Originally posted by polydigm

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Originally posted by scallopino
But why the fuck would they place them in the middle of the album! :freak:

I don't understand it. Why didn't they put the album on one cd and then the other stuff on another one?

That makes a lot of sense. I actually didn't like Uncle Meat until I listened to the original album edited from the Ryko release. I don't think i even knew at the time that it WAS originally different.

punknaynowned - 10-4-2008 at 21:39

yes, I agree with polyd. That is how it was. I remember being surprised that Freak Out!, Exile On Main Street, Blonde On Blonde and some other famous double records that fit on one cd:meaning they were less than 72 minutes long. But The Beatles White Album was indeed needed to be put on 2 cd's at 90 minutes long.
Then, it was only in the late '90's that I began to notice that cd's were getting longer and then were advertised as being 80 minutes long.