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1968 11 10 KSAN Berkeley, CA w/ Tom Donahue

punknaynowned - 5-11-2010 at 11:31

Here's a bio pic on Donahue from The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame
http://rockhall.com/inductees/tom-donahue/bio/

1.
beginning starts in media res:
[string melody of The Idiot Bastard Son or Peaches(?) fades]

FZ: ...play it in its raw state.
TD: where would ... where would this fall uhh in, in time? Is this,
FZ: [aherm] Well this was recorded
TD: Was this recorded with the first LP or -- ?
FZ: No. This was recorded about ahh a year and a -- a little over a year ago. Up in New York.
TD: "Agency Man".

[cues to a live version of "America Drinks" w/ Ray Collins improvising the end bit :"Wednesday we'll go topless, Thursday we'll go naked, Friday we'll shoot up a Volkswagon," where Frank laughs and Ray says casually, "should be fun" : this portion of live tape ends with Frank explaining that they had gotten kicked out of playing in this very venue playing this song, then the tape edits
directly into "Agency Man" in a different edit or version but nearly as found on the official release "Mystery Disc"]

TD: That's "Agency Man" and Frank Zappa and the Mothers of Invention.

2.
TD: This is Tom Donahue and Frank Zappa of the Mothers of Invention is our guest in the studio tonight and uhhh, we heard "Agency Man". Which is, what do they call it? I guess an outtake in a sense.
FZ: Yeah it's an outtake,
TD: Something you decided not to work with. Ruben and the Jets is the most recent release of the Mothers and we're gonna get to that later on. I know I wanna play some of it
FZ: Mm-hmm
TD: Later on and talk about it. But umm, About six months ago there was a period of time on the top forty stations all of a sudden there were three or four records that sounded like records from the fifties. They have that '57/'58 sound.
FZ: Well I never listen to the radio, so that could have been true
TD: Yeah heheh. Well it ahh they all had that same simple sort of Moonglows beat to 'em.
FZ: Well y'know if you analyze the sound of what the Moonglows did it wasn't really as simple. Rhythmically it was pretty simple but harmonically it was amazing for the things they got away with and in the chord structure they were working on. And they were very tight and they were a very good vocal group. Really exceptional.
TD: It was a period of time though when there was a tremendous variation in the musical ability of groups who were scoring with records. Sometimes a really frightening variety.
FZ: Yeah, well, y'know. That's one of the things that I like best about that kind of music is that even the ones that weren't competent musically had so much to offer in the emotional department.
tD: Oh yeh
FZ: that it didn't make any difference
TD: on the basics all the time
FZ: That's right, it's glandular, y'know. I can identify with that.
TD: That would used to be the BIG argument that was offered by adults during that period of time that didn't dig the msuic was that it was too simple.
FZ: Yeah. I've been handed a book here called, "Who's Who In Rock and Roll". It must have been published about twelve years ago. Some sort of greasing that Alan Freed put out. It has a thing in the back where he's taking all the credit for putting rock and roll together and making it all happen. Let's see, where is this thing? It's got a quotation from -- ah yes,
"Rock and Roll keeps rolling" is what the headline says. And then it starts off this way,
"Rock and Roll is lewd. In plain fact dirty' blasts Frank Sinatra. 'You're so wrong, Frankie', echo thousands of rock and roll fans. 'I consider it the greatest music ever,' says the King of Rock and Roll, Elvis Presley.'
TD: And et cetera et cetera.
FZ: Yeah and they're still doing that in various levels today
TD: Yeah they're still playing that same kinda rap. There were a lot of closet fans in those days
FZ: [exagerrated smarmy laugh]
TD: Just like those closet queens y'know
FZ: Uh-huh,
TD: Who listened to rock all the time and very seldom would admit it to their friends.
FZ: Yeah
TD: I used to -- I had a friend who was teaching English at the University of Pennsylvania about '56, '57 when I started playing in Philadelphia.
FZ: Yeah,
TD: He'd aways told me he'd never listened to any of it but all of a sudden started rappin to me about what I should be playing more of ... and ahh became a fan in a hurry. I expect he had been all along.
FZ:: Rock and roll music is good for you. It's very healthy for you. I think it's --ah, one of the greatest problems facing the entire world today is mental health and poor education. And I can't say that rock and roll will improve your education. Well, it might because there's a lot of things to be learned about the way you're supposed to act in a given social situation.
TD: Yeah right, rock tells you how to treat girls,
FZ: that's right,
TD: and it tells you what to do or how to feel when your heart's been broken,
FZ: that's right
TD: It's got a lot of things in
FZ: Unwritten social code of the younger generation is implied in the relationships of the boy to the girl in most of the love lyric siuations in these records. They don't even have to come out and spell it out, but the whole social system is implied in those records and then, that's how I learned to do what I do. Gettin all those instructions.
TD: hahhahha
FZ: You couldn't find out any other way. Your mother and father didn't know. They hated you 'cause y'know, you were creepy, you were a teenager, y'know. When I was in my teens, calling somebody a teenager was really the nastiest thing you could say to me. 'You TEENager. Juvenile delinquent,' and all that stuff.
TD: There was a -- it's it's impossible to take anything back and say 'This is the beginning'.
FZ: Mm-hmm.
TD: I mean Alan Freed can say what the beginning of rock and roll was. To me it was always a record by Don Howard called 'Oh Happy Day'.
FZ: I remember that. Yeah. Ahh, I , I don't think that was the beginning for me. I think that the first thing that I heard was ahh, it was either 'Gee' or 'Sh-Boom'. I forget which came out first but it was back in that era.
TD: Yeah, well, but I think 'O Happy Day' was before that
FZ: yeh?
TD: Yeah, Yeah I think it really did come out before that. Yeah I think what happened, it went around a couple times.
FZ: Hmm
TD: and it was just the one cat singing, y'know the voice
FZ: The low voice
TD: Y'know how people had 'good voices' or 'bad voices'
FZ: yeh
TD: and this is a bad voice. It was the first record BY somebody
FZ: Well, the 'bad voice' that made money, heheh
TD: Right, heheh
FZ: 'That's the beginning of rock and roll'. There ya have it.
TD: Yeah, right. Well, y'know maybe it's
FZ: See, he opened up the way for us.
TD: They say that part of the appeal has been that people could say 'I can do that'.
FZ: Yeah. That's Right. That's a reason why people like Johnny Carson and those talk show people on television make it big because, 'well, y'know there's a nice simple guy, he can't hurt ya, y'know, I can do that. I can identify with them'.
TD: And he looks right.
FZ: Yeah, huhuh
TD: Y'know he's got brown hair and he's the right size
FZ: hahah. Brown hair, white skin, blue suit.
TD: When Les trained[or Les Trane?], first started teevee, first thing I said was 'Man, you'll never make it. You are the wrong color.'
TD: Mm-hmm
FZ: You may be white but you've got dark hair, you're Jewish, you're all the things you shouldn't be to do that kind of show,
FZ: Mmhmm. And then what happened?
TD: He still didn't make it.
FZ: Errrmm.

3.
FZ: Do you think it's possible we could listen to this record?
TD: What do you want to play?
FZ: There's a record sitting over there that's called 'The Handsome Cabin Boy" from an album called Blow Boys Blow. 'Ewan MacColl and AL Lloyd sing songs of the sea' and it's one of my favorite songs. And it probably doesn't belong on a radio station but seeing how this is sort of underground and everything you might sort of get into the mood of it. It's actually a sea chanty which is a -- it's a whale -- it's something you'd sing on a whaling ship. You know when they wouldn't have anything else to do. And it's an interesting tune. Melodically I think it's very appealing and it has an interesting story line. And it says on the back of the album, [reads] ''It is a common sailor's dream that among the crew is a girl dressed as a boy. Oddly enough in songs based on this fantasy it is nearly always an officer who discovers the girls identity. In this case, the plight of the pregnant cabin boy might be considered tragic, seen from the girl's viewpoint. But as the sailors see it the situation is inexhaustibly comic. The version of this much loved ballad that is sung here is unusual for the equivocal role played by the captain's wife. '' And if you listen very closely to the lyrics, they're very trippy.
[cue Handsome Cabin Boy] <iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/KaNoP0zSSgo" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

4. [they both talk over each other in this section again and again]
TD: That's ummm Roshimon.
FZ: Roshimon? What's that?
TD: Well, it's a Japanese play that's been made into about fifteen movies,
FZ: Yeh?
TD: Where ahh a woman who is supposedly raped by a man that a kinda she and her and the man that she's with
FZ: Yeh?
TD: and each of them runs down the story,
FZ: Yeh
TD: but they each tell it a totally different way.
FZ: Oh, I've heard about that
TD: Yeh, you've been there
FZ: But I haven't seen the cinema - No I haven't BEEN there. I can see the similarity between that and the bizarre relationship between this cabin boy and whoever it was that was strapping him or her or whatever it was on this ship
TD: heheh
FZ: But I'd like to dedicate that song to the GTO's and the BTO's of Laurel Canyon because I'm sure they'll understand it.
TD: And next.
FZ: And next we have a record called Grunion Run which was recorded about six years ago in a studio that I used to own in Cucamonga, California. And it was produced by Paul Buff who is ahh also happened to be the enginner on another fantastically successful teenage record a few years back that we all know and love 'Wipeout'. He's the man responsible for comitting that thing to tape. And he's still trying to live that disaster down. And he -- under our -- forcing him, agreed to record this piece of music called 'Grunion Run'. Which at the time seemed to be not very commercial at all. Y'know, he didn't really want to do it. But it wound up being the b-side on a record called 'Tijuana Surf'. Which turned out to be a good selling record. It sold 8000 copies in Fresno, and 150,000 copies in Mexico where it was number one for seventeen weeks.
TD: "Wipeout" was on the charts longer than any other record. I think it was either five or six years,
FZ: Really? That tells you something about the people who recorded it and who bought it. And also the people who played it on the radio, cuz they really helped out.
TD: Only the best.
FZ: "Grunion Run" was a little ahead of its time because of the technique of the fuzztone stuff in there. The fuzztone used on the guitar in this record was a homemade number before they were commercially available, Paul Buff the electronic wizard who is now the recording engineer at Original Sound Records for Art Laboe in Los Angeles had manufactured this little homemade cheapie fuzztone by accident. He tried to make a transistor amplifier, didn't know what he was doing and found out that everything that you plugged into it distorted like crazy. So he started running everything through it, the bass, the guitar, y'know?

5.
FZ: Here it is, the b-side of 'Tijuana Surf'
[cue 'Grunion Run' by The Hollywood Persuaders] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVoyIQZA76Q

6.
TD: The Grunion thing is uuhhh peculiar to uhh southern California isn't it?
FZ: The grunion? Oh, oh yeh. Some people don't know what a grunion is. It's a fish that comes up out of the water and sort of runs up onto the beach on its tail and squats in the sand and lays eggs. And during this procedure, southern california teenagers gather together with their cars, line their cars up on the beach, aim their headlights out on the sand, turn them on and then run out there on the beach and grab the fish while they're laying their eggs. [pause] Tells ya a lot about the southern california teenager doesn't it?
TD: Yeahahha, Well, what's the line? I saw in a book recently that said that you gotta understand that they start out having their brains baked out by the sun.
FZ: No, I don't really think that it works that way. That's sort of the kinda thing that a person from San Francisco would say about a person from Los Angeles.
TD: HA! I wouldn't lie to somebody from Los Angeles . . . Who was that originally?
Other voice: ahhh, Max Shulman
TD: Yeah, Max Shulman
FZ: That says their brains are baked out in the sun? Well, I think that the school systems in California have a tendency to sort of y'know?
TD: Make a major contribution.
FZ: Yeah. I don't think you really need to rely on the sunshine to do away with the intelligence of the young people. School system is designed to take care of that. Blot --
TD: That where you're from?
FZ: Blot you're creativ -- Oh No, I was born in Baltimore. Wish I was from El Monte
TD: Yeah someone called me a while ago and asked me if you were from El Monte and if so what part of El Monte you were
FZ: No. Most of my time spent in that area was spent in Pomona, Ontario and Cucamonga, California. Which is a few miles east of El Monte.

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DED - 5-11-2010 at 16:16

grows like weed
tell us if you're ready

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punknaynowned - 6-11-2010 at 07:42

ok, I think this is free of errors or reasonably so :biggrin:

DED - 6-11-2010 at 11:17

$%^&*(
The player that came within BBFlashback is self starting. Have to find another one.
Song seems to be part of equal to "Daar was laatst een meisje loos" Dutch folksong about a girl who wants to be a sailor and ends up pregnant in the bed of the captain. Wonder how she did that :bouncy:

punknaynowned - 6-11-2010 at 11:31

see that's an example of what I wondered at the beginning,
I don't know if there is another on the web. Will keep looking.
Yeah it's a sordid tale but it' so funny to me that it is a sailor's song and they used to think it was funny ... lyrics and notes on original:
http://www.informatik.uni-hamburg.de/~zierke/lloyd/songs/thehandsom...

this is the tune as played by :forumsmiley10:

Jerry Garcia and David Grisman;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWQk3jBbUkM&
the vid of course is a yuppie sailboat and you miss the old man Ewan MacColl singing the lyrics . . . in english, yes, I know.

here the voice is similar
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEXayWgy5_g

here Tim Browne in County Kerry: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zyZJhNBbAY&

of course, I think Kate Bush's version is far better than the other's here, but so different

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punknaynowned - 6-11-2010 at 12:12

there that should be better!
sends just to a page where a seeker can push the button themself!

DED - 6-11-2010 at 12:43

Quote: Originally posted by punknaynowned

there that should be better!
sends just to a page where a seeker can push the button themself!

But thats a problem we like to keep our visitors on board. We host as wel as the player as the flv.

punknaynowned - 6-11-2010 at 13:19

oh no!
I removed the link entirely

what is an flv ... I'll go look it up

sorry to clutter your morning
it is all experiment for me but I try to learn in a changing world

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DED - 6-11-2010 at 13:36

Quote: Originally posted by DED

$%^&*(
The player that came within BBFlashback is self starting. Have to find another one.
Song seems to be part of equal to "Daar was laatst een meisje loos" Dutch folksong about a girl who wants to be a sailor and ends up pregnant in the bed of the captain. Wonder how she did that :bouncy:

Quote:

Once there was a maiden keen
longing for sailing, longing for sailing
once there was a maiden keen
longing to be a sailor at sea.

She did have to climb the mast
tie up the sailcloths,
tie up the sailcloths
she did have to climb the mast
tie up the sailcloths real firmly with rope.

But by tempest and adverse wind
the sails altogether,
sails altogether
but by tempest and adverse wind
sails altogether knocked down on the deck.

She was ordered in the cabin
to get a beating,
to get a beating
she was ordered in the cabin
to get a beating and then it came out.

Please, my captain, hit me not
I am your lady-love,
I am your lady-love
please, my captain, hit me not
I am your lady-love as you can see.

Daar was laatst een meisje loos
die wou gaan varen,
die wou gaan varen
daar was laatst een meisje loos
die wou gaan varen als lichtmatroos.

dutch lyric Daar was laatst een meisje loos : Songs D or Lullabies

commentary: Old-fashioned but still well-known children's song. Former folk song, dating from the 18th century.

Complete lyric original folk song (7 verses): Dutch folk songs.

First line: in the original Dutch text the order of the words is also turned round (keen behind the noun instead of before it).

Last line: in former times a singer on a market did show images of the story on a so called 'roll-up cloth' (roldoek). Apparently, in this case the last picture showed the love between the girl and the captain (in Dutch literally: as you can see here).

This is the version as we sing it nowadays but the original goes beyond (verses 6 and 7)

What happened in the cabin
The chief-mate doesn't know

But before the ship was ashore
a little sailor was born

Me myself nowadays like to find out what happened in the cabine :puzzled:

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DED - 6-11-2010 at 14:52

Quote: Originally posted by DED

Quote: Originally posted by punknaynowned

there that should be better!
sends just to a page where a seeker can push the button themself!

But thats a problem we like to keep our visitors on board. We host as wel as the player as the flv.

I've figured it out. I knew I had to copy with the style of Conny's CSS that points always to the main index files to get the fonts and colors an so on. Every linking should be relative from the base.

I'm now planning to record the you tube movie, I dont want to depend on movies I can't control.
The user can delete it, or Youtube can take the sound out for some reason.

punknaynowned - 6-11-2010 at 15:17

o mi gosh

well that's a lot of stuff. there's 12 songs that I know are played for this one interview that are on youtube
maybe the whole thing would be better with no video

DED - 6-11-2010 at 16:39

I got loads of space and recording is not such a hell of a job. First we can use the embbeded video from YT later we can see what we do.
The result however will be great. Have you seen the first part above on the site? Looks good and is interactive.

punknaynowned - 6-11-2010 at 20:08

yes it is!
ok!
I'm collecting the tracks as much as I can

1968 11 10 KSAN Berkeley, CA w/ Tom Donahue -6 -- 14

punknaynowned - 7-11-2010 at 18:13

-6. El Monte cultural hotbed of the 1950's
FZ: El Monte is a sociological phenomenon that really should be studied very carefully. There's amazing things that took place there during the fifties. Y'know, whole sections of historical folklore happened there and then just disappeared and were forgotten.
TD: I don't know if it necessarily disappeared
FZ: Well, there are a few
TD: Just like somebody somewhere is putting it all down, recording it all
FZ: I don't know whether they're really putting it down. I think that some people remember it but it should be treated in a scholarly work and the details of this should be turned over to an institution that saves that stuff for future generations. Y'know when future generations want to really know the why's and wherefore's of the jelly roll hair-do, the black leather jacket, the parking lot knifing, tire slashings and the true function of a tire chain as applied to teenage recreation. These things should be recorded by one of those scholars y'know that's supposed to have chops to do that stuff. Instead of relying on the memory of poor rock and rollers who were forced to work at the El Monte Legion Stadium, in one of the worst acoustical environments in southern California.
TD: Oh worse yet perhaps a history could be written on the basis of -- of what the newspapers were saying about those teenagers.
FZ: Heh yeah
TD: Or ahh what their supposed to do
FZ: Yeah
TD: My favorite movie is a teenage movie made in the mid-fifties because they didn't have anything right then --
FZ: Yeah
TD: and seen ten years later, it's really --
FZ: Which movie? Do you remember some of those? How 'about Girl's Town? Did you ever see that one?
TD: Yeah, I've seen Girl's Town and seen a lot of 'em. I've seen a lot of the old ones that have Frank Gorshin in 'em. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0331319/
FZ: Yeah
TD: Who's that singer, recorded for Warner Brothers?
Other Voice: Connie Stevens...
TD: Commie Stevens, Concetta Rosa [?] http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0828328/
FZ: There's one that has Paul Anka in it
TD: Yeah, I've seen one with Paul Anka in it. Then there were a number of 'em umm well, the car movies I thought were the best.
FZ: Yeah, the really good cars. MM. If they only knew about things like that in Europe. Y'know it's very hard to go to Europe and play a concert and sing a song about a '39 Chevy and see these people wailing around on bicycles and they just don't know what you're talking about.
TD: Yeah
FZ: And even if they knew what the car was they can't project into the mystique of the fuzzy dice and the taco balls around the windshield. Y'know you just can't tell that to them.
TD: They don't know about going to Mexico and gettin a reupholstery job
FZ: eheh
TD: and standin over 'em in Tijuana to make sure that ahh
FZ: Yeh make sure you get your fifty dollars worth
TD: Yeh that they put the right kinda stuff into it, not old newspapers and uhh
FZ: mm-hmm
TD: Find it tuck rolled

7.
FZ: We have another hit tune
TD: Tried to sneak out [sic?]
FZ: heh, This is a piece of music written by Pierre Boulez and it's one of my favorite pieces of music. From a piece of -- one little piece of a larger piece of music that he wrote. And the title of which I can't pronounce in French but in English it means A Hamemr Without A Master and its -- I think it's got bongos in it ahh . Here's the instrumentation: Marjorie McKay alto singer, Arthur Leghorn flute, Milton Thomas viola, William Kraft vibraphone, Dorothy Remson xylo/marimba, Thedore Norman guitar and Walt Goodman percussion, bongos, maracas, tambourines, claves, bells, tam-tams, traingle, gong, cymbal and small cymbals. I'd like to say something about the conditions under which this record was made. It's been around for quite some time, it was originally released as a mono recording and now is available in stereo for some strange reason and was done during a time when it was not the popular thing to do to record avant garde music or new music at all. And they figured, 'well, we'll do it because Boulez is making a reputation. He's one of those hot new European composers and it sold surprisingly well when they put it out. The only problem is that rumors through the studio musician grapevine in Los Angeles came back to me and a number of other people that the music was so difficult that the performers on the piece just sort of started making uhhh up their own things in spots, y'know? And nobody except Boulez could tell that it was not what was supposed to happen. And I got the score to the piece and tried to follow along with this version of it and it doesn't match up. You can see that there are errors in it. But I have since listened to a recordings conducted by Boulez and I like this one better cause it has a better beat. If you go for bongos kids, this is for you.
[cue Le Marteau Sans Maitre ] [this is not the same version of course though I believe it is the proper section though Frank never says so : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QO00g3Ow3Lk&

8.
TD: We'll be rappin with Frank in a minute.
[cue "America Now" commercial: a book about conservative thinking in a new media age, 1968 with details about where to order it]
9.
[cue "Berkeley in MOI ad" where FZ counts in "One, Two, Buckle my shoe..." as on Absolutely Free, with the ad announcer flying overtop saying the MOI will be in Berkeley, CA; folowed by FZ complaining that he had to come all the way to a studio in Berkeley to record this ad, "And I think that's a real drag to have to do. For a show in Berkeley of all ridiculous places"; followed by announcer on details of how to order tickets]

10.
TD: This is Tom Donahue we're talking to Frank Zappa of the Mothers of Invention. We have early electronic music,
FZ: Well that's not electronic music
TD: Well, it's ... ahh ok, early avant-garde.
FZ: Yeah. Ok, ... Tom. Now here's a little early teen grease. It's, it's sort of middle period teen grease actually. It's called When we get married by the Dream Lovers. And we discussed earlier the fact that the unwritten social code of the younger generation is embodied in their music? Just listen to the life described by the lyrics of this song.
[cue When We Get Married
45 on Magnavox player: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdjoTNkuMNU
45 on better sound playback: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GZ3Uc87hQU& ]

11.
[cue Memories of El Monte: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlXy5jzCjPE ]

12. Frank remembers El Monte:
TD: Memories of El Monte at El Monte Legion Stadium.
FZ: Yes indeed. I'd like to say that Ray Collins and myself wrote that tune a long time ago and we started hussling it all over town in Los Angeles. This is when we were living outside of town in the sticks and we wanted to be teenage songwriters and I think it was the first teenage song that I ever wrote. And I thought, 'God! I like this stuff so much and it must be so easy to write those kinda songs,' but we really sweated our buns over that one trying to get it together and make it really swell. So we wind up taking it to, of all people, Art Laboe and he says, 'Well I got a group. I got this group called the Penguins, y'know they made Earth Angel, y'know? And a few of them are working at the car wash but I can get 'em down here to sing this tune'. So he actually brought ... The Penguins, or he purported these people to be The Penguins to the recording studio and introduced them to us and we showed them how the song went and they sort of liked it and it took about two or three months to actually get him to finally have a session and record the tune. They recorded it and they put it out on the market and it sold about 4000 copies in New York and nobody in El Monte even wanted to know about it.
TD: Heh,
FZ: Y'know, they -- 'Forget it!' -- they don't like to be reminded that they live in El Monte, I guess or that El Monte was really something spectacular. Well, there might be a few who like the idea of it. Pandora likes it. But we still perform this tune on stage sometimes, y'know, just to -- for fun.

13:
FZ: OK, the next record is from a Charlie Mingus album that I grew up with called Mingus Ah-Um. And the name of the tune is Goodbye Porkpie Hat- dedicated to Lester Young.
[cue Goodbye Porkpie Hat, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEyETVtEg3A]

14.
[cue Lucy Mae Blues: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsZu1QDD7Ck]
FZ: That was Frankie Lee Simms singing the Lucy Mae Blues. One of my favorite records when I was in high school.

DED - 9-11-2010 at 16:25

added ..... pfffffff

DED - 9-11-2010 at 22:21

Quote: Originally posted by punknaynowned

oh no!
I removed the link entirely

what is an flv ... I'll go look it up

sorry to clutter your morning
it is all experiment for me but I try to learn in a changing world

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Sorry I didn't react on this.
.flv is flashvideo it is the smallest videoformat at this moment.
Its the kind of video you look at in You tube.
You have to upload a video in another format f.i. mp4, Avi and so on.
They convert it to FLV.
We can do it ourselves but off course than you need a flv player than can open a flv video in a website.
we have several to use, some of them are self starting and some not. If the videofile is the only file on a page selfstarting is preferred but if you have more content, it is often not handy.

MTF - 14-11-2010 at 08:44

Cool interview.

Just a little correction, though. KSAN wasn't in Berkeley; their studio was on Sansome Street in San Francisco. KSAN broadcast at 94.9 FM, and was known as "The Jive 95."

Turns out I know Jerry Graham, the guy who replaced Tom Donahue as General Manager of KSAN. I see Jerry just about every day: we take our dogs to the same dog park...

punknaynowned - 14-11-2010 at 11:38

that's aweome!!
small world, eh MTF?

Yes! I'm sure you are right about KSAN. And Yes, I should explain about that somewhere. This looks like a good spot.

This tape is the KSAN tape of a previous 1968 11 10 KPFA Berkeley recording.
This tape of this interview was rebroadcasted by KSAN (noted call letters at end of tape) at a date later than the one given here (1968 11 10), as it was earlier reported to have been broadcast and at least recorded by KPFA which at that time did reside in Berkeley.
But this is a later rebroadcast of an earlier interview. So to make that distinction I told two half truths in the title in order to tell the whole story of this tape's origination 1968 11 10 Berkeley and following dissemination (KSAN).

Make sense?

And there's still more for this yet to come...

[Edited on 14-11-10 by punknaynowned]

[Edited on 14-11-10 by punknaynowned]

punknaynowned - 18-11-2010 at 15:37

15.
TD: OK, you are from Baltimore originally you said earlier. Speaking of uptight towns,
FZ: Yes, hehmm
TD: and ahh
FZ: Distressing, repulsive uptight towns.
TD: How old were you -- The problem with the kind of city where people are always sayin, 'You haven't seen the nice part of it.'
FZ: Yeah-ha-ha-ha
TD: How old were you when you came out to California?
FZ: About ten years old. And the first place we lived was Monterrey. And the second place we lived was Pacific Grove. Then we moved to southern California. So my first taste of California was up here in rain country.
TD: Did ya have a car early?
FZ: No, I didn't, my parents wouldn't let me drive because they knew that if I ever got my hands on a car that I would immediately disappear from the dismal places that I was forced to live in. See, my father worked for the government, uhhh in various things. He was either working directly for the armed services or he was employed in the defense industry. And he was always forced to live in these really cruddy places. Monterrey being one of them. And uhh, When we finally moved to southern California it wasn't much better because we wound up living in Lancaster which is in the middle of the desert and it's sort of a depressing place with uhhh, y'know well, just nothing happening there. So they made sure that I didn't learn to drive or anything. They wouldn't even sign a permit for me to take driver education in school. So I didn't get a car til I was about twenty-three. But I had absorbed enough of the legend and lore of the auto freak in southern California to be able to write a few songs pertaining to that subject.
TD: Back for a moment. When we were playing The Grunion Run,
FZ: Yes
TD: Ahhmm, all of a sudden Dick Dale occurred to me.
FZ: mmHmmm
TD: He was a southern California phenom that
FZ: Yes, Phe-nom
TD: that came out past Bakersfield.
FZ: Well I remember when Capitol Records paid a very large amount of money to
TD: Million dollar gaurantee,
FZ: Yeah, that's right. Snatched him right up to make him the giant star that everyone knew he was destined to be because everyone knew that surf music was really what was happening. Now as we look back upon surf music as a phenom and we can also look forward to a resurgence of surf music in the future. Probably disguised as something else. Maybe the literal association between the music and ahhhh, the ah, the ocean will go ... (ahemm) someplace else. (coughs) But the type of music, the style of the music may return and there were some very interesting things happening harmonically in the surf hot-rod type of rock and roll music. I remember especially a song called "Summer Means Fun" by Bruce & Terry. Do you remember that record?
TD: Yeah
FZ: It has some of the most interesting - ahhh, modulations in it. Some really groovy chord changes, the words are a little puny, but
TD: They had a couple of good records,
FZ: Yeah,
TD: They had some other things that were
FZ: Yeah, but that -- that one was really neat and like 'The Little Old Lady From Pasadena" -- Cuz I can remember hating these records when they came out, cuz I thought 'God they sound so white and disgusting and they're talking about a way of life I can't identify with'. But then if you back off like, say five years from uhhh, when it was out and then say y'could say, 'Well, haha, it's an old record, let's listen to it and see what it sounds like', if you just hear the music that was in it there was some very ingenious stuff there.
TD: Yeah, when we were playing the record with the fuzz tone on it -- we lost the record evidently - you were talking about stumbling into that accidently. Ahh, before that time there'd been a record by Tony Fischer called 'The Big Hurt'. Do you remember that?
FZ: Yes
TD: That was the record that had flange phasing which we know which was so popular all over again.
FZ: Yeah. Do you know how that was supposed to have occurred?
TD: I would imagine accidently.
FZ: Yeah it happened accidently in the transfer of the tape and uhhh then he tried to duplicate the effect and he couldn't duplicate it. Now this person, this ahh electrical wizard, Paul Buff, heard that record too and he said, 'Why I can do that. I can make that happen any time I want.' And he cranked out a country and western tune in Cucamonga that was never released in 1960 that had phasing on it. I have the master tape of the thing at the house. I inherited a bunch of old masters from this studio and I heard this thing -- and it has the date on the box and it was a paid-for session that somebody came in and said, 'Here, record me and do something special to it,' -- and if you can imagine cowboy music with that y'know, flange. It was a really peculiar sound,
TD: Yeh
FZ: But I understand there's a future development on that. There's the guy that was doing these effects in England. They call him George the Flange. He's a recordist, he's not an engineer. He's a guy, like a maintenance man, or runs the recorders that ahh -- sort of gets credited for all the contemporary versions of the flange -- has invented a thing called the reverse flange. The guy who engineered the Traffic album, Eddie Kramer has told me that this device which they are currently employing on some things they are recording now, will make a sound appear to come from behind your head. If you are listening to a stereo system and facing the speakers y'know, something coming out of the right and something's coming out of the left, when they push the button for the reverse flange something will come from behind your head
TD: Mmm
FZ: And I was thinking the ultimate use of this effect would be to have some music going on and you're grooving and tripping out on a teenage psychedelic level and then from behind your head you hear the heat come in and say 'Alright, this is it!' y'know
TD: Yeh, Kramer also did a couple Stones LPs and Jimi Hendrix
FZ: Yeh
TD: and Blue Cheer,
FZ: Yeah, the new...
TD: Blue Cheer was a group I wanted to ask you about. About how you react to them. Because I see Blue Cheer as being today very representative of older rock and roll in a sense.
FZ: Why? Because they recorded 'Sumemrtime Blues' by Eddie Cochrane?
TD: No. Because the kind of audience they appeal to. They almost invariably - the people who dig Blue Cheer are young teenagers but they're really super fans of them.
FZ: Well, I'll tell you the honest to golly truth. I've never heard their record, and we've worked with them twice and I was never around when they played. I don't even know what they sound like.
TD: Yeah
FZ: All I know is legend and lore and that they have a lot of amplifiers and they play very loud.
TD: They do play very loud.
FZ: I've met the guys in the group but I don't know anything about their music.
TD: Mmhmm.

16.
FZ: Well, let's see. We -- Ohh. we have a record coming up now that is one of my all time favorite uhh teenage grease records. This is The Letter by Vernon Green and the Medallions. And I think it ranks very high on the list of the type of tune which has the lead vocalist speaking a passionate love message to his sweetheart in the middle of the song is one of the main attractions of the item. And this was very big on our high school charts around 19 (I'd say it would be) '55 or '56. It's a very passionate record. You can take your pants off for this one.
[cue The Letter http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMlotHd1fS8]

17.
TD: This is Tom Donahue and our guest tonight is Frank Zappa of the Mothers of Invention. OK Frank, we've had ahh a love letter there. A lot of those records always to me sounded like a -- some of the basic ideas that come from Ink Spot records.
FZ: Yes, uhh that would seem to be their original source on some of these speaking techniques. But the thing that's interesting about this -- the talking part on this record is, everyone I've questioned about the meaning of this one line in the song just shakes their head and goes away. When he says, 'whispering sweet words of pismotality', y'know. I looked it up in the dictionary,
TD: heheh
FZ: the minute I heard the record and I can't find it. And if anybody out there knows what a 'pismotality' is,
TD: Nice sounding word
FZ: Yeah but, 'whispering sweet words of pismotality' it sounds so obscene when you sneak it in there like that.
TD: How 'bout Ruben and the Jets, ya haven't played some of that,
FZ: Yeh, you could grease--
TD: How 'bout Richard Berry on there?
FZ: Yes, I would like to pay my respects to Richard Berry because I think that he is one of the most creative forces in rock and roll music. Uhh, he wrote 'Louie Louie'. And the original version of Louie Louie is quite a bit different than what the Kingsmen eventually wound up doing to it. Making a record that stayed on the charts for 200 years in uhhh Oklahoma and places like that. Richard Berry's version of Louie Louie in the mid fifties was revolutionary. It was the strangest thing that I had heard, y'know? The harmonization of the group, his seventh chords and the things that -- and the way they were voiced and just the overall sound of the record was very fresh, y'know? It was a departure from the rest of what was going on in rock and roll and he's written a great number of songs and a lot of them never got to be big hits but I think they are all extremely good songs. And the other tragic aspect of the career of Richard Berry is that he never made a lot of money from the things that he wrote because in those days it was the standard operating procedure of record companies to sign the artists and writers to contracts with royalty payments so low that they're virtually non-existent and then when it came time to pay them they would explain to the artist, 'Well, it didn't sell too good and uhh-'
TD: They'd charge extortion [?] prices...
FZ: Yeah right and they'd always stick the artist and uhh , like, the guy would -- for instance he would probably say to Richard Berry, 'Well, we got you guys some wine when you were recording y'know? And we paid ya twenty-five dollars a day you made the record. What more do ya want?' And then of course they would give each member of the singing group a hundred copies of the record that he got to pass out on the grounds of Manual Arts High School or something like that and he gets to be a hero for a week at school --- and they would just sort of fart him off like that.
TD: I think Mr Berry's 'Louie Louie' was later on -- I think, '58 or '59.
FZ: No. It was earlier than that.
TD: Yeh,
FZ: It was in the mid '50's. And aah, the other side of it was very nice. 'You Are My Sunshine'.

18.
FZ: Let's ... this is a song called 'Daddy Daddy'. Which has a nice portrayal of a mid-'50's father and his attitude towards the young boy coming to visit the young girl while they make out.
[cue Daddy Daddy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtT-Icm_NAQ]

[Edited on 27-8-12 by punknaynowned]

punknaynowned - 18-11-2010 at 15:51

I'm not sure Ed how you were able to make that stand-alone player work for the Ewan MacColl clip.
But I could not find a youtube clip of this Richard Berry song. The 30 sec sample from amazon was all I found,

http://www.amazon.com/Daddy/dp/B001CX8G6Y/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=...

I left the end bracket to make it easier to handle

there are only a few more items left to this interview...

MTF - 19-11-2010 at 04:38

Quote: Originally posted by punknaynowned

that's aweome!!
small world, eh MTF?

Yes! I'm sure you are right about KSAN. And Yes, I should explain about that somewhere. This looks like a good spot.

This tape is the KSAN tape of a previous 1968 11 10 KPFA Berkeley recording.
This tape of this interview was rebroadcasted by KSAN (noted call letters at end of tape) at a date later than the one given here (1968 11 10), as it was earlier reported to have been broadcast and at least recorded by KPFA which at that time did reside in Berkeley.
But this is a later rebroadcast of an earlier interview. So to make that distinction I told two half truths in the title in order to tell the whole story of this tape's origination 1968 11 10 Berkeley and following dissemination (KSAN).

Make sense?

Yes, it makes sense.

I'll ask Jerry if he can shed any light on this. He gets rather annoyed at all the questions he gets about his TeeVee career (he was a news anchorman and had his own show in San Francisco); but he loves to talk about radio. Hardly anyone knows he ran one of the most legendary stations in the history of radio.

Huck_Phlem - 19-11-2010 at 07:38

I remember Jerry!

I grew up on KSAN with a very fine 60's stereo system! They did such cool stuff. The KSAN college of knowledge at the boarding house was cool. My brother went on and won pretty big. a bunch of groovy gifts like a 10 pound of chocolate an oil lamp and a few gift certificates for music and books.

They had stereo simulcasts all the time so we could watch concerts while listening to our stereo. Their news was first rate! (broke the Patty Hurst story)

Not to mention King Biscuit Flower Hour! with the reel to reel cued up we got some great recordings.

Right on! Thanks for the memories!

punknaynowned - 19-11-2010 at 08:20

Yes, I always have a difficult time choosing what to include and what not to include. Do I keep all the umm's and ahhh's? Do I make the title extra long and thoroughly explain it? How consistent do I need to be with dashes or ellipses? Should I write out the advertisements as they don't relate to the 'story' but give more context and flavor of the times?
If I leave something in -- like the detail of the transmission of broadcasts thru KSAN -- does it matter?
In this case since that's not where it started it did matter. You both had memories of it that triggered. But I couldn't know that. And so on.
Thanks guys!

DED - 19-11-2010 at 22:48

The Art of omission.
Personally I cut the many uhhhh and so on on the site.
For me it is something as nod yes in videotaped interviews. Its al an encouragement for the one who is interviewed.
In holland nowadays interviewers use it far too much, as if they are headbanging throughout the interview.
In some Zappa parts I placed on the site leaving out the uhhh and mmm gives the spoken word of Frank more meaning.
He really is capable to sayin 3 sentences without the yeah, ummmm, and mmm from the interviewer.

What about the title, if its is complex, you can always use an subheader.

KSN BLA DIE BLA
(Retransmission of original interview by .........)

punknaynowned - 19-11-2010 at 23:15

call it KPFA!!! See if I care

sometimes leaving things in makes them less clear and sometimes leaving things out does that.

I get tired of Frank using 'And the...' all the time to connect ideas. Figuring out where to put periods and thereby where sentences end is often guess work because he gets on a roll and keeps talking and then uses pauses with no words or sounds like ummm and ahhh showing his own difficulty in explaining trying to make things clear and most people don't care.
True both in conversation and when transfered to type.
Omitting the ahhs does make the reading easier but makes the transcription less true to the event being transcribed.
Of course, there are two here. One on the message board and one out front. It makes sense the slicker one be out front I guess. I'm just a 'purist' and can't win all those battles I admit.
It's wonderful you are allowing it to be set out and so willingly do the work necessary.
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU

[Edited on 19-11-10 by punknaynowned]

MTF - 20-11-2010 at 06:20

I saw Jerry at the dog park today. I asked him if he could shed any light on the tape. He told me that KSAN and KPFA didn't have any kind of business arrangement, and that the tape was most likely the personal property of Tom Donahue. In all likelihood Zappa agreed to do the interview, but refused to go to San Francisco to do it at KSAN's studio (maybe it had something to do with Zappa not having a driver's license). So Donahue made a deal with KPFA's manager where they would do the interview at KPFA's studio; KPFA would get the right to broadcast it once (probably live); and Donahue would get the master tape and all future broadcast rights.

Jerry said this was the kind of unusual arrangement that Donahue excelled at. He knew that to deal with creative people, he also had to be creative.

Jerry also mentioned something else. Donahue's bio says he died of a heart attack; what it doesn't say is that the heart attack was the result of a cocaine overdose...

Huck_Phlem - 20-11-2010 at 09:03

I still remember KSAN's address! 415 Sansome in San Francisco. It's a Chinese travel agency now.

DED - 20-11-2010 at 18:01

Quote: Originally posted by punknaynowned

call it KPFA!!! See if I care

Youre the writer, you're the boss

punknaynowned - 23-12-2010 at 04:45

http://www.amazon.com/Daddy/dp/B001CX8G6Y/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=...

19.
FZ: Don't ya just love those long teenage fade-outs on those old-time records where they keep saying the same thing over and over again to remind you of what the title of the song was?
TD: yeh
FZ: Could ya ever forget that the name of that song was 'Daddy Daddy' by Richard Berry and the Dreamers? Could ya?
TD: He had 'Oo-oo' get out of the car eh?
FZ: Yeah, and d'ya know that Sammy Davis Jr recorded that too? Can you imagine the comparison? You oughta play those simultaneously on the air.
TD: Heh-heh
FZ: Haha-yuk.... Richard Berry is now working in Los Angeles, the south part of Los Angeles with his group at places like HD Hovers, Century City Restaurant and he's pulling down some fantastic bread for a group working with him that musical uhhh category. Y'know like club bands in Los Angeles are notoriously underpaid because the club owners, y'know they could care less if you're a musician.
TD: This one was booked at the bowling alley out near the airport.
FZ: Yeah, that's -- that was probably, ahhh ... Century City Bowl? or something, no.
OV: I think it was Century
FZ: HE made a live album at this uhhh, HD Hovers restaurant which he brought over to the house one day. It's one of th-- they didn't even have it in stereo, just this mono thing that they recorded on the gig, with some little cheesy tape recorder, y'know? It's got some interesting things on it. I mean, make a comparison between what he started out doing and what he -- evolved into and in the -- about the middle of his prime period and what he's doing now to earn a living. He's making about fifteen hundred dollars a week for a five-piece group. He's paying the members of his group uhh, y'know way over scale, y'know and making good money, just week-to-week in these clubs. He plays six nights a week and two jam sessions. He just likes to play. Plays electric piano and he
TD: He's got a real thing going there as far as the other people are concerned.
FZ: Well, well they all come down there and they ask him to sing Louie Louie and they ask him to sing Have Love Will Travel and they -- and if they remember some of his other things, y'know they ask for that too. But he's written some things, some current things that sound sort of like Motown -- but ahh, y'know funkier. Which I don't think are as creative as what he was doing around the Louie Louie days.
TD: Oh, based on Richard Berry as the Century boho, y'know playing an audience that can't remember him,
FZ: Well,
TD: Ahhh, I figure that fifteen years, twenty years from now, Vegas, y'know somethin that hasn't broken off from the mainstream,
FZ: Yeah?
TD: Will ahhh, y'know the Mothers will be at the Sahara and ahh
FZ: Oh I rather doubt that
TD: You doubt that?
FZ: Yeah
TD: Well what will be the next -- they're gonna have to do that because they're gonna have to bring in the ahh the acts people can remember of that age
FZ: Well when I was in high school buying these records, I thought, y'know my folks were watching Lawrence Welk on television and I was saying, 'Now here's a whole generation of people that want to remember big band time', yknow? And in twenty years from now, it's quite possible that on television we'll be seeing Big J McNeely and Joe Houston and people like that, grinding it out with their bands, playing for a middle aged audience that wants to dance to that kind of music. And it's gonna be a really funny sight to watch, y'know? It's one thing to see a bunch of folks fox-trotting around the floor, but -- I remember Joe Houston lying on his back honking one note and then the octave above that note as his solo for All Night Long. Why it just makes ya quiver all over.
TD: Wanted to see if he could stand the test of time.
FZ: Yeah.
20.
FZ: We have a record now ... I'd like to play a number of cuts from this album because I think this group is one of the swingin'-est of that era. It's the Paragons and it's from a album called 'The Paragons Meet The Jesters'. Put out by Paul Lindley productions and it's a lovely cover. It's in blue ink and it shows two dudes with leather jackets on, like they wear in motorcycle gangs in New York y'know? And they're sort of Italian looking boys -- Sal Mineo types. One guy is exhaling -- Oh he has jesters on the back of the coat, heheh and they have those squatty hats, y'know? Like you saw in old ahh, motorcycle movies. One guy is blowing the smoke out of his mouth in a big clump and the other guy is doing a sort of motorcycle yoga position on the floor. With the silhouette of a girl. Looks like her arm is on her hip over on the side of the album. It's very ... it's designed to appeal to a very narrow spectrum of teenage mentality. And the first tune that we're gonna play from this album is called 'Twilight'. It's not a very well known tune but it certainly is delightful. and here it is for your dancing pleasure.
[cue 'Twilight' by the Paragons: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0YXRwhcar8]

21. "A Really Bad Commercial": after some harmonica and a steam train sound, Tom reads a commercial for a clothing store in SF, [1:03]

22.
TD: This is Tom Donahue and we're uhhh rapping with Frank Zappa of the Mothers of Invention. And ... let's see, what are we gonna play now?
FZ: Well, there's a song on the Paragons Meet The Jesters album called "Florence", which was another one of those high school heart throb favorites and I'd like to play two in a row. The hits just keep comin' at ya. 'Florence' followed by 'Florence Don't Leave Me', the sequel.
OV: Florence don't want to--
[cue "Florence": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB2NF7QxiaA&]
[cue "Florence Don't Leave Me": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nr1FxOaDHTo&]

23.
TD: That's about all of Florence, I mean,
FZ: Is that about all you can do to Florence?
TD: Listen to the words and dedicate back--
FZ: OK, this is -- Next! on the lover's hour, [agh-erm] what does Jerry Blovett[sp?] call it, the eleventh hour?
TD: Yeah
FZ: Alright, we have a selection from the new Mothers of Invention LP Cruisin' With Ruben and the Jets, which is dedicated to the ahhh, golden era of American popular music of the 50's. When everybody used to harmonize, get real ... ahhh passionate in the song and sing it like they were sincere and really was in love with their girlfriend. And one of the reasons we made this record is because we think that people should start dancing slow back together again holding on to each other. So like when you get ahold of your girlfriend and bring her toward you and dance with her for a few minutes y'know until those three minute songs that after you're all done you have those hot circles burned on your chest from her-
[cue "Later That Night": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZSZRqsCmQA]
Announcer: You're listening to KPFA and KPFB in Berkeley--

[Edited on 23-12-10 by punknaynowned]

punknaynowned - 23-12-2010 at 04:50

That's it! That's the end of this tape and interview.
it continues from the last big post on previous page
after the number '18.' in the text
with the amazon cue for the Daddy Daddy snippet that I couldn't find a better example of.
But is a self start trigger as well

thankfully Florence and the rest are not. just youtube clips.
Of course I'm in no hurry to have it placed out front on the index page,
with xmas in full bloom these days and everything else.
I'm glad to finally have this piece done.
I will check it for errors, I think I found them tho...

BBP - 23-12-2010 at 21:19

Wow Punky! Great work!
Here's hoping Dad can soon find the time to put it to good use, since the great clearing of the junkyard in Helmond has started.

KAPTKIRK - 26-8-2012 at 13:40

Great thread! I grew up in the SF bay area in the 50's-60's and the 70' and of course listened to TD and KSAN.I remember they're simalcast shows where you watch the TV and crank up the radio,like Huck said.A friend of mine had a reel to reel to capture concerts and interviews for posterity.Haven't a clue where he is now.In HS during the summer,I'd work up in the MTNS.near the Bear Vally area on highway 4 above Angels Camp,CA.No reception up there.The only rock station was KZAP outta Sacramento,CA that we could tune in.They refused to play any Zappa and with those call letters too!So when I'd go back to Bezerkeley/Oakland,CA.I'd go over to my friends house and listen to his reel to reel tapes for hours at a time just catching up.It was alot of fun! Ah,the good ol' daze of KSAN,protest and the following riots on Telegragh ave.and listening to KFBK or KSAN to get the latest real news and not the watered down crap that was on the TV at the time.KSAN's rock programs with Tom Donahue where my favorites and the news from KFBK is how I learned how the world really works.I wish I could thank all those guys for keepin' it real for us youngsters growing up at that time.The FZ interview I missed but maybe he didn't want to go to SF because of Bill Grahams assertion that you'll never work in ths town again! Ha! KSAN and it's SF sister station broadcast the same shows I believe so I could see FZ thinkin' I don't even have to go to SF for anything to be heard there,so why not stay and record the interview in Berekeley anyway? After the last MOI concert at The Fillmore West I didn't think FZ played SF itself anymore,I'd see him at The Berkeley Community Theater or The Circle Star Theater in the round in San Carlos and I even saw him at Pepperland,near where that marine animal and roller coaster ride place is now in Vallejo,CA.Cool times and FZ would get me out of the boondock-Mtns,everytime he and the Mothers came around.If it wasn't for KSAN and FZ's relation with KPFK and Berekeley in general I don't think he would have done A Zappa Affair there.That was a benifit for the Berkeley Philharmonic Orchestra,that was going broke.Frank did that for free and was also one of the times I got to meet him and got his autograph too! I know I'm a real groupie,oh well,there goe's my reputation and status at the high shcool.Which btw was were I went to HS for two years,Good ol' Bezerkeley high.We named some weed after that school too.As in you wanna buysome Berekeley high! We thought it quite cute and funny at the time.Heck it still makes me smile.All during that time my car radio was blasting KSAN like the backdrop of my younger years.I miss Tom Donahue and his show,you just can't find that kinda suff on the airwaves anymore.KFBK is still there,but thats now mostly news.Thanx for the memories y'all! Very cool!
The last time I saw FZ was at The Berkeley Community Theater circa '84.If I'd a known that was gonna be it I would have flown back east and caught his last tour back in '88.

punknaynowned - 27-8-2012 at 02:36

Thanks Kiirk!
I'm glad that this brought memories for you and that you shared them with us. Always fascinating to me to hear where people are from, what they remember.
Here is a full youtube clip of Ewan MacColl's version of 'Handsome Cabin Boy' as heard on that tape that Frank played for Tom on KSAN
v<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/KaNoP0zSSgo" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
well, the embed thing is not what I want to do...

http://www.youtube.com/embed/KaNoP0zSSgo

that should work at least

and here is the 45 of Richard Berry's 'Daddy, Daddy' which belongs at the end of page 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtT-Icm_NAQ

[Edited on 27-8-12 by punknaynowned]

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KAPTKIRK - 27-8-2012 at 18:57

Quote: Originally posted by punknaynowned

Thanks Kiirk!
I'm glad that this brought memories for you and that you shared them with us. Always fascinating to me to hear where people are from, what they remember.
Here is a full youtube clip of Ewan MacColl's version of 'Handsome Cabin Boy' as heard on that tape that Frank played for Tom on KSAN
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well, the embed thing is not what I want to do...

http://www.youtube.com/embed/KaNoP0zSSgo

that should work at least

and here is the 45 of Richard Berry's 'Daddy, Daddy' which belongs at the end of page 1
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[Edited on 27-8-12 by punknaynowned]

Thanks Puunknaynowed! At ease sailor,it's only one *I* in Kirk over here. LOL! BTW: Where is the 45 of Richard Berry's' Daddy,Daddy'? I'd like to hear that. Did you put it on page one?