LOTR

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Pappawas1975 - 28-1-2006 at 13:01

You gotta support where you come from BB....At least you have the right idea....!

BBP - 28-1-2006 at 23:48

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Now I've started wrestling through Ted Gioia's History Of Jazz, for college... It's the third time I have to read it, but I haven't actually read it yet. It's boring...

I'd hate to say it but Gioia's book sucks.. always a bad sign when authors manage to make an interesting subject boring. Alyn Shipton's "New History of Jazz" is much better, more interesting and more enjoyable. Of course as a huge jazz fan, I'm pretty biased. It really helps to know the records and artists they are writing about.

Yeah well... Our teacher based his choice of the book on both quality and price. Gioia's book being one of the cheapest, and having relative quality... He did advice Shipton if you're interested in jazz and have money to spare.

BBP - 29-1-2006 at 13:49

Finished Hobbit last night... Good read too.

scallopino - 30-1-2006 at 13:14

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Finished Hobbit last night... Good read too.

Yeah, i liked the Hobbit. I read it before TLOTR. I liked Bilbo better than Frodo, who i think is a bit of a pussy ("I don't think i can go on Sam!" and all that jazz) .

I have a question. We all know that elves, dwarves and hobbits and wizards and goblins aren't really real, but they exist in the fantasy world.

What about gnomes? Nobody talks about gnomes unless they're from the garden or, if your me, from South Park. Do they exist on the same level as elves and goblins? :puzzled:

Pappawas1975 - 30-1-2006 at 14:13

The novel, not the comic / graphic novel. Actually very good..........

BBP - 30-1-2006 at 22:34

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Finished Hobbit last night... Good read too.

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scallopino - 31-1-2006 at 06:16

Ok, thanks BB. So they are reasonably real but not to the same level as elves or goblins or fairies.

BBP - 31-1-2006 at 21:40

Just seen ROTK, which I purchased on VHS for E 1,99, a snip. The first 2,5 hours last about as long as the last 15 minutes. Shame how you can end such a great film in such a boring way.

BBP - 3-2-2006 at 21:37

Dad bought me a Fellowship video... I now have seen all three films. Leading me to say the eternal remark "nice, but the book is better".

scallopino - 4-2-2006 at 12:12

Yeah, that's what i thought. We have on the ABC in Australia "At the Movies" featuring two old buffs, one who looks like an orc:

They had Australia's top ten Special show where people voted for their favourite movies of all time. TLOTR Trilogy GOT NUMBER ONE! :shocked: Citizen Kane wasn't in the top ten, neither was Taxi Driver or the Godfather movies or King Kong or Maltese Falcon.

BBP - 4-2-2006 at 15:38

Some stuff is just beyond compehension... What else is in their Top 10? Evita? What Dreams May Come? Seven Years In Tibet? Titanic? Sound Of Music?

Pappawas1975 - 4-2-2006 at 21:46

Justs started this...One The Road - Jack Kerouac

....and by the way, I agree....LOTR trilogy good, but books better....

BBP - 4-2-2006 at 22:59

Finished Gioia for the first time... finally.
There's a bit on Zappa in it: Gioia referred to Jazz from Hell as an album from the late 60s and 70s.

Now reading a girl's book called Bonnie does it herself... Funny...

scallopino - 6-2-2006 at 04:19

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Some stuff is just beyond compehension... What else is in their Top 10? Evita? What Dreams May Come? Seven Years In Tibet? Titanic? Sound Of Music?

yeah, almost. it seemed like it was "Top Ten Most Popular Rentals". My sister wrote them down and i found the list. here we go:

1. TLOTR trilogy
2. Amelie
3. Blade Runner
4. Shawshank Redemption
5. Donnie Darko
6. Star Wars: A New Hope
7. Pulp Fiction
8. The Princess Bride
9. Gone With The Wind
10. Fight Club

:rolleyes:

I don't think you can love the LOTR movies that much if you've read the books. I find it real hard to watch a movie that i've already read. Like, you can only lose the information from the original text if you try and transfer it to another media.

BBP - 6-2-2006 at 14:48

True... There were lots of points in the movie where I thought: Did I read that? My English is not good, there were points in LOTR where I lost concentration, but I didn't think Frodo told Sam to go home on the stairs just before Shelob's lair. That's sooo annoying... My fave part in the book and they wreck it!

I should find an 'irritated' smiley. The only irritated smiley we have now is holding an Off-Topic sign.

BBP - 6-2-2006 at 14:49

Just recalled my favourite movie is Karakter, which was made after 2 books, and is a LOT different from the original.

scallopino - 7-2-2006 at 03:28

It's different if the makers of the movie use a book for inspiration or main ideas. Or if the book is just so great and detailed and screams out to be a movie.

But most book-movies now just seem to make a visual version of the book for money making purposes aimed at two kinds of people: 1) People who can't/don't read. 2) People without any kind of visual imagination.

Like Harry Potter (Pothead). The first two movies were just so boring coz they were like reading the book without reading it. Then they started being creative and actually tried to make great movies, which they did!

i always thought this :drool: looks a little irritated. Or this :wow: like "How could they do that!?"

BBP - 7-2-2006 at 13:33

And even then it depends on what they make of it... I found Matilda, one of my favourite Dahl books, turned into something with a very annoying voice-over. But I did love the Tales Of The Unexpected series.

:drool: I love this! Just look at it and picture Homer going gglllgg!

scallopino - 8-2-2006 at 12:54

Yeah, and it had that chick who's in that christmas movie with that guy from Jurassic Park, brother of David Attenborough, with the beard, as Santa.

BB, i swear to god that I had a teacher in high school who could have been the sister of MRS. TRUNCHBULL! She was a giant of a woman, was in the army, was probably a lesbian, and used to brag about how many men she was in charge of. And she was in charge of the girls' hockey EVERY YEAR.

I hope they make the BFG into a movie. I loved that.

BBP - 8-2-2006 at 12:56

There's a BFG caroon that sucks... Ever seen it?
Shame there's no female giants in that book; I'd love to be one.
Did I say Caroon? I meant cartoon.

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scallopino - 8-2-2006 at 13:08

I read the book a long, long time ago. I have some sorta pictures in my head of it. But i'm not sure if:

a) I invented them out of my imagination

b) They were the illustrations in the book. (they seem kinda Dahlish)

c) They were from the caroon.

BBP - 8-2-2006 at 13:28

From the cartoon:

scallopino - 9-2-2006 at 03:08

No, my pictures are different so i can't have seen the cartoon. That giant just looks like Japetto. It's not Dahl-y enough. Dahl's drawing are always a little messy and deranged, while that cartoon is very disney and misses the point. :umm:

scallopino - 9-2-2006 at 03:10

And they gave the giant Pixie ears or those of a small upper-class dog! :rolleyes:

BBP - 9-2-2006 at 15:32

I love that Disney-description... I actually own the video, but I don't know why, how or when. Haven't seen it all through either.

Pappawas1975 - 11-2-2006 at 20:42

Currently half way through Lemmys autobiography.....very good....

BBP - 11-2-2006 at 23:15

Put away that Bonnie book by Leonora Weber... it's a wee bit too Christian for me.

Currently reading: Eiken van Dodona by Bordewijk.

BBP - 17-2-2006 at 20:26

Finished Oaks of Dodona... boring...

Anyone got any reading suggestions? I've already wrestled through Walley...

Pappawas1975 - 17-2-2006 at 21:26

Just finished Non Fiction, by Chuck Palahnuik, and

Sideways, by Rex Pickett

BBP - 23-2-2006 at 23:48

Pappawas1975 - 24-2-2006 at 13:15

Have just finished England Away by John King, and am about to start on a compilation of novels by Peter Sotos.

BBP - 28-2-2006 at 18:52

Finished Fabian, great book! Some very quotable lines:

-Shut your mouth, or else all the wood-chips will fall out.

-Leaving already?
-Yeah I can't resist the urge to puke any longer.

Pappawas1975 - 3-3-2006 at 16:41

In the middle of these at the moment -

Kung Fu High School - Ryan Gattis

Proxy - Peter Sotos Pornography

....both great in their own way! After this I embark on some Jean Genet....

Pappawas1975 - 4-3-2006 at 13:27

It is good, but I think I preffered The Football Factory, also by John King.
Havent read Headhunters yet though, so dunno about that.
Id say get it from your library, rather than shell out for it!

BBP - 19-3-2006 at 16:16

Gogol, Dead Souls
Great book!

Pappawas1975 - 19-3-2006 at 16:46

Just finished Invisible Monsters by Chuck Palahnuik, followed by Timoleon Vieta Come Home by Dan Rhodes.....Am currently just starting another Palahnuik book, Survivor.......

scallopino - 22-3-2006 at 08:00

For uni:

And read on Sunday of last week:

Voltaire's Candide.

Pappawas1975 - 1-4-2006 at 21:04

BBP - 1-4-2006 at 21:58

For college: the Quran. In German.

BBP - 24-9-2006 at 17:40

For the Tolkien-fans: anyone heard there'll be a new Middle-Earth book by JRRT and his son out next spring?

scallopino - 25-9-2006 at 02:57

I did hear of that on the radio or in the newspaper or something. Has JRRT's son written anything on his own? i mean away from his dad's stuff?

BBP - 25-9-2006 at 13:19

Not sure... I know Tolkien's grandson has written at least one thriller you can find at the low-price stores here...

scallopino - 26-9-2006 at 13:33

what nationality are they? Are they Dutch? Or English?

BBP - 29-9-2006 at 19:16

Tolkien was born in Bloemfontein, South Africa. His name is Anglicized from German, or so tells Wikipedia. His family has strong British ties.

scallopino - 30-9-2006 at 03:50

Hmmm. No wonder it's not obvious.

BBP - 29-10-2006 at 16:45

I'm somewhere in the second of the Unfinished Tales now... put it away for a few days until the college-free week. It's a good book, but not as enjoyable as any other Tolkien ones I've read so far.

Say Goj? Ever got thru Silmarillion?

punknaynowned - 3-11-2006 at 05:52

I read the Silmarillion a looooooooooooooooong time ago, don't remember much anymore. There's lots of christian mythology paralells in there if yer open to that. I got into mythology for a long time, mostly asian and greco-roman. didn't go for the norse myths for some reason. The Ramayana for example, is much more satisfying to me for some reason.
But once I waded thru a bunch of that , history explained a lot for me. I know it probably works the other way for most people. It's the relational aspects betwen people and institutions that interest me the most anyway. . . .

BBP - 3-11-2006 at 18:05

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On this web site. Just got this error message when I wanted to send my previous message. :duh:

Anyway wanted to say I'm going to re-read Sil on short term and have just bought Bored Of The Rings.

punknaynowned - 3-11-2006 at 18:18

bored of the rings is hilarious!!
I tried to sign into chat when I saw you were on but got a error message after it sat trying to load for quite awhile . . .
thought u might wanna know
;-)

BBP - 3-11-2006 at 21:24

Some error came along when we tried to recover the Chat section. Since virtually no-one was using it (well... me and Viv on occasions... but it usually jammed the PC) and since it was a crappy programme we were using, we decided not to re-install it. We announced that either in the Packardgoose.Com section or chit chat, I'm not even sure.

BBP - 22-11-2009 at 19:03

BBP - 30-1-2017 at 22:37

In the monstrously hard AIVD puzzle I attempted this December/early January, there was a question in familiar looking runes. Dwarf runes and elven runes to be exact. I knew the dwarf runes well, but this meant little - all they translated to was gibberish so it must've been a different code... the elven runes I could translate with a lot of peering.
The runes I could read said: "a is one, b is two, we are looking for the sum of the first names of the uninvited guests in the first book." The clue then went on to say something about the second and third, something about a ring, and that the key to solving the dwarf runes was the author of the books.

Eventually I ran out of time in trying to translate the dwarf runes. But I did think a lot about the uninvited guests. Who could they be?

So that's how I got started re-reading the Lord Of The Rings. It was my third time for the first book, for the others only the second.

It's a very manly book isn't it? So far apart from Galadriel's refusing of the ring, there are but two female characters in the book, Galadriel and Goldberry, and apart from that one scene all they do is being pretty.

BBP - 18-2-2017 at 23:09

Finished ROTK earlier this week.

Frodo is an idiot.

polydigm - 19-2-2017 at 00:47

I've never read the books. I've seen all three Jackson movies. I'm curious why your summary of the third instalment boils down to Frodo being an idiot.

BBP - 21-2-2017 at 11:01

Every single point in the plot where Frodo has to make a choice, he makes a foolish decision. Trying to interrupt Pippin from saying too much in Bree, then accidentally putting the ring on is a nasty offender, combined with his overstaying in Hobbiton because he's so reluctant to leave, slipping the ring on in the fight with the Nazgul so that he's stabbed, trusting Gollum. It's about all Frodo does - after he decides to sneak away from the partnership (leading to Boromir's death and Merry and Pippin's imprisonment) he's little but deadweight.

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