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polydigm - 22-7-2012 at 01:35

An ungrateful stupid jackdaw stuck in the chimney. Sounds like someone else I know called Cleon.

BBP - 22-7-2012 at 12:24

Here he is, anyway:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6YYXCeoHnk

They get 13 to 15 inch in length and can be very noisy, but this one didn't make much noise and flew and pooped around all over the place, until he'd settled in by the window and tried to get out. They're clever animals, normally.

[Edited on 22-7-12 by BBP]

polydigm - 22-7-2012 at 14:11

Again, more parallels with Cleon, as humans are also clever animals normally.

BBP - 22-7-2012 at 14:15

You know he drinks... had him on ignore for some time now.

polydigm - 22-7-2012 at 16:58

I can't help feeling sorry for the guy. I've just had another go at communicating with him but he's just too ridiculous.

punknaynowned - 22-7-2012 at 22:33

This is not a criticism of you or anyone. I think we see things similarly in that we ask questions to find out what's going on, hoping we can come to conclusions that may lead to a way out. But I've done a bunch of study on authoritarian social models and the consequences on those who would be in the group. Every system is different, people are different and more complex than mere models can show. But there are patterns.

You know 'Lead, Follow, or Get out of the way'? It seems like these are the only choices some people think they have when interacting with others, anywhere.
'Following is for pussies', getting out of the way is for "old folks, women and kids" ('if they don't do as they're told') and 'leading' is all that's left. By hook or by crook.
To lead, you have to be in front. To get in front, you have to scrap and fight one's way there - or that's all some see in 'leadership': a successful bully.

Of course, it isn't so simple. There are lots of ways to interact or not. As a teacher you know that often the best way to get people to see stuff or even just learn is by suggestion. If people feel they are being talked down to, then they won't want it. Whatever it is. But if they are shown the pieces and ideas on how to put them together and let them figure it out so it seems they got it by themselves - so they can feel proud of their 'work' - then they start to feel good about the process and may want to do more.

Once, when we had a politi-spammer, Diesel or somebody and they had an avatar of a bouncing bust - 'chrissy' maybe - cleon went and found a longer clip of that and presented it as evidence that this person wasn't who they said they were. I praised cleon, telling him he was doing the work of research like a journalist. It was a surprise and a ridiculous quip but he took it at face value and went thinking he'd done a good turn. He never bothered me again. This after talking with a group in chat once and cleon acting like he was gonna reach thru the internet and punch me in the face. Maybe it's a show, maybe he's lazy with punctuation or writin', doesn't care if spelling is near the mark, expects to be listened to and will fight any who questions or disagrees with him...
when an authority asks us questions, it's natural to turn defensive: "Do you know how fast you were driving? Do you have your license and registration? Does your mother know you masturbate?' To many, it's all a 'GOTCHA' when posed as a question - because that is their experience - and the natural and correct response, is huff and puff and bluster or submit and mostly, to not get 'got'.

I tried to get BS and some others to explain how they got to the conclusions they were spouting. They couldn't do it but got defensive with all my questions, said I was trying to mess with their head. I just wanted to show them what they were saying didn't make sense and wasn't winning any converts. But bravo doesn't care, doesn't look at consequences, only who comes out on top, this round. A fight is exciting, gets the blood going, plus it's easy. Thinking is hard. When I learned BS was a prison guard, it all made sense. His job is to stay on top, keep a lid on things, 'keep the devil in the hole'. Sense or logic or consequences don't matter so long as he feels he's on top at the end. No reason to reflect on a better way, you take your orders, you stay in line and get the riffraff out of the way. Lead, Follow or Get out of the way.
For this authoritarian model, human communication or interaction is permitted, so long as it doesn't get in the way of whatever the boss says has got to be done.... but according to this 'model of behavior', people get questioned when they are in trouble which puts those questioned on a lower rung of the totem pole.

I know this isn't why you were asking him questions, but some people don't know (or aren't willing to recognize) there's another sense behind 'that line of attack'. Just because we aren't attacking doesn't mean that's not how it's received. Because if they don't know the answer, they're afraid they will be taken down a rung, again. You know, 'The best defense is a good offense'? Some people just think it's always a conflict.
I feel more sorry for his wife and kids. But I don't know anything about that.

[Edited on 22-7-12 by punknaynowned]

KAPTKIRK - 23-7-2012 at 01:00

The cleon dynamic...:forumsmiley482: What you mean you don know what.I right you Dumb so? :lol: His use of smilies is ironic.

Makes sense to me.That's more than I can say for cleon sometimes.I try and agree with him to avoid this kind of negative responce from him.But the one thing he does when you think you're good with him is find something your wrong about.It doesn't even have to be directed at him.He will find something and start the "you don't know shit" stuff.So I would assume after reading your post that he also has a pecking order in his own "liked" sub group.Does that make sense? Does everyone know what I'm getting at? It would seem that that type of behavior has levels within levels of...hmm,what do you call it? I do notice that JP and him talk to each other the same way,but after you read a couple of they're squabbles back and forth it seem like that's they're normal dynamic.In other words thats how they always talk to each other.That leads me to think both of them think acting and talking this way makes you one of the kings on the hill.That kind of thing.
Thank's punknayowned,it's a good thing to remember when his attacks seem to come from nowhere and keep coming until you give-up and he thinks he's won something.Now it all makes sense.Cool.

polydigm - 23-7-2012 at 01:37

I'm not particularly troubled by Cleon - no more than I might be by certain aspects of life in general - it's not hanging me up or anything. I just thought I'd have another go at communicating with him. Babong!!!

Calvin - 23-7-2012 at 02:16

I posted something normal a couple of years ago, info on something, and he replied with something like "F you, you SOB" and I've had him on ignore since.

KAPTKIRK - 23-7-2012 at 05:19

I said: "I thought Bobby Martin made it big scoring movies or TV shows" as part of a discussion.It was more of a question than me stating a fact.I got the same guff outta nowhere from him.I tryed to be cute and said maybe it was Bobby Harris.Bad idea! I'm a stoopid dumb c.... well you guys know the rest,was his reply.So if he's not bothering me I take him off Ignore.Every once in awhile he finds some cool links.If he gets nasty,he goes back on Ignore.Nice little feature!

BBP - 23-7-2012 at 09:46

I just ignore him, if enough people do that he'll go away.

DED - 23-7-2012 at 09:51

or make him as angry as possible. Then he maybe makes a post that administrators ban him forever. I prefer that, but I must admit it sometimes happens without my intention.

polydigm - 23-7-2012 at 13:30

It's all quiet on the Cleon front at the moment. He didn't answer my last post which was me saying "I give in". He usually answers everything with something or other so maybe his internet connection is down.

BBP - 23-7-2012 at 18:07

Well DED, let's not get started on the work of the "admins" on the Zappa forum...

KAPTKIRK - 23-7-2012 at 21:05

Ha! Work and the Zappa.com administrators in the same sentence,what are you thinking? No one *works* there,they *Watch the sky's!* when it's convenient for them.

From my experience Poly,your good with cleon for awhile.You lost - he won,takes the wind out of his sails.He might,in his weird cleon way,try and be nice to you.Extend an olive branch to ya.Just to break it over your head when you least expect it!
I agree with Bonny,if he makes you mad *ignore* him.That's about the best feature they have come up with on Zappa.com since I've been there and they lost the chat room just before that.It was cool when someone was on at the same time.They need more people around the world to join.Now the vetting of future forum members is getting tiresome for the newbies.I try and assage their worries like a few other forum members here do,then I think I'm leading them to cleon with a chance of Trendy or Isaacc too.Frank makes it all worth it.I just found out some new things about his art and music I never knew before.Fascinating man,awesome stuff!
Frank's the Best!

BBP - 24-7-2012 at 09:28

Oh they still have the chatroom don't they? They removed the link but not the software.

KAPTKIRK - 24-7-2012 at 11:14

I can't find anyway into the chatroom without going to my favs. Then click on the link in a thread Mr.GG found.BTW I just posted there.I see you were on BBP,2 hours before me.Sorry I missed you.How do you get into chat?

I'll catch you on the flip side.I just noticed it's 3:00AM and way past my bedtime.Good night all. {-

DED - 24-7-2012 at 18:47

Quote: Originally posted by BBP  
Oh they still have the chatroom don't they? They removed the link but not the software.


we still have the link and the software. But if it stills works?
Never found anyone in there.

KAPTKIRK - 25-7-2012 at 05:01

Quote: Originally posted by DED  
Quote: Originally posted by BBP  
Oh they still have the chatroom don't they? They removed the link but not the software.


we still have the link and the software. But if it stills works?
Never found anyone in there.

There's never anyone on there the last year.Before I'd be talking to Aspy,Mr. GG,BBP,Poly,Dovey,Bat and the list goes on.Not alot at once,just 2 or 3 of us on.It was much more personable that way.They just need an easier link and let us know where it is.

BBP - 25-7-2012 at 14:09

What I Did Yesterday:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTp6sNBl85c

polydigm - 25-7-2012 at 18:57

Quote: Originally posted by KAPTKIRK  
From my experience Poly,your good with cleon for awhile.You lost - he won,takes the wind out of his sails.
He certainly hasn't responded to my last post to him where I said I give in. It seems to have had some effect and he's not posting as much at the moment. He's still managed to drop in and hurl abuse at someone else there though.

BBP - 26-7-2012 at 07:53

Quote: Originally posted by BBP  
What I Did Yesterday:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTp6sNBl85c


I hate it when I fall off the page.

KAPTKIRK - 26-7-2012 at 10:29

Quote: Originally posted by BBP  
Quote: Originally posted by BBP  
What I Did Yesterday:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTp6sNBl85c


I hate it when I fall off the page.

Does it hurt as much as when you fall off you bike? LoL!
You gotta lotta ducks in a small space.Does that make you a hoarder or just plain quackers!?! Ha,Ha!

KAPTKIRK - 26-7-2012 at 10:39

Quote: Originally posted by polydigm  
Quote: Originally posted by KAPTKIRK  
From my experience Poly,your good with cleon for awhile.You lost - he won,takes the wind out of his sails.
He certainly hasn't responded to my last post to him where I said I give in. It seems to have had some effect and he's not posting as much at the moment. He's still managed to drop in and hurl abuse at someone else there though.

He did the same to me.Once you say give,he's off to someone else.He's PMed me to to say someone else is lyng about some petty detail that's important to him and no one else.Very tiring.

Kirk to bridge: Why have we changed coarse Mr.Chekov?
Chekov to Kirk: cleons Kapt.,cleons!
He's :crazy: as a loon!

BBP - 26-7-2012 at 21:57

All quiet on the BB front, spent a sick morning and OK afternoon, enjoying the sun while it lasts. Tried to get my legs to bronze, but they won't do that anymore.

KAPTKIRK - 26-7-2012 at 21:59

It's 2pm and I'm off to see the Grandmothers! :guitar::drums::guitar2::singer: The whole nine yards of them.

polydigm - 27-7-2012 at 02:01

So Cleon probably is some genuine kind of retard and I feel sorry for him. What's JP Funk's excuse? That guy has a nine inch nail for a brain.

punknaynowned - 27-7-2012 at 10:15

ha! and a hammer for that nail - and a chip on his shoulder big enough to carry it?
well, I guess I could have predicted it. But what I was just talking about with 'behavior c' the other day, and kiirk saw it in light as well with our dear Gianni, he in turn gave us a resounding example of one of the very things I was trying to elucidate. So I didn't predict it but maybe could have... call it the Key of 'G',,,:bouncing: started on page 34 of this thread

It looks like amero-centrism, feels like defensive ignorance but follows the pattern of 'lead, follow or get out of the way'
hahahahahaa!

Frank used to say that mental illness was our biggest problem. Trouble is how to define it and define wellness? Psychiatry and psychoanalysis lost its way with pharma-industries and insurance and such. Scholarship has turned into a pay-as-you go 'research opportunity', at best. Yet there are degrees of wellness just as there are degrees of illness. Here too is where politics and economics insert their all-knowing heads into the batter and declares they know what's best, acc to their help which is the money people again... The experts still know things, as do law enforcement and yes, even people's practical common sense still exists!

Frank had a way of shocking people and getting them, forcing them to think, sometimes about uncomfortable topics. But if he was for anyone, it was the ugly, left-behind weirdos. I believe Frank talked about people's hangups - because it's funny, because the poodles react, but also, to get those listening to get over their own hangups. Imagine what people could do if they weren't crippled by whatever emotional tick or fetishism or whatever. But first you have to get them talking. Get them past whatever it is. And then recognize it for what it is and then maybe do something about it. But therapy is only afforded to those who can pay for it and most often it's the poor who most need it but have only the most destructive antidotes. Here in mid-America, crystal meth, and alcoholism have destroyed a generation or two. Oxycontin is the new contender. Bigger cities are decimated by crack and heroin.
I chalk all that up to an idiot drug war and lack of constructive local or national policies dealing with issues of mental illness. Since the '60's. Plus, it seems many more people than I was aware of thought school was to teach kids how to read the tv guide and maybe balance a checkbook. With the expected results.



[Edited on 1-8-12 by punknaynowned]

punknaynowned - 27-7-2012 at 10:33

jaypfunk? I think it's all just a game for him. He's a FOR REAL Zappa nut! I'd buy him a beer, go see him play drums. Send him $100 to help him with his rent or a hard drive in the mail if he lost his. Would I ask him why he's such an asshole so often? No. Because he'd say something like 'What is your heart broken? Does your little asshole of a heart cry for me?' or something better. So why bother?

polydigm - 27-7-2012 at 16:38

Quote: Originally posted by punknaynowned  
Yet there are degrees of wellness just as there are degrees of illness.
This pretty much hits the nail on the head for me. For all the negative shit that the USA gets associated with, the acceptance of psychotherapy has always surprised me. In Australia it's still only for the truly mentally ill. Once you've been analysed here in some way you become stigmatised and have to mention it on job application forms and so on. We're still a long way from acceptance that everyone needs therapy at some time or other in their lives and it's nothing to be ashamed of.

Sure, there are some full on mental illnesses that would need to be taken into account for employment purposes but the stigma prevents people who really need it from seeking it, after, for example, a bereavement or a car accident or an abusive father or whatever.

Humans are so full of shit sometimes. And I'm not referring to people in need of therapy, I mean the ones who are completely in denial and give therapy a bad name. Of course it's still a young science and there's a lot of junk therapy out there too, but we all have times to varying degrees when an impartial ear that can help unravel the pain without attaching any stigma to it wouldn't go astray.

polydigm - 27-7-2012 at 17:05

Quote: Originally posted by punknaynowned  
... our dear Gianni ... starts on page 34 of this thread ...
Is Gianni his real name? I rarely go to Zappateers but he's hilarious in that thread, or sad, I can't quite decide which.

punknaynowned - 28-7-2012 at 01:20

poly: agreed with all you said. Gianni was an alternate spelling I picked to be more discrete.

Bonny! I have a lot of collected things. I collect and then grow tired and then find something else to collect. Mostly they stay in a state of disorganization. Books, cd's, old notebooks. The things I currently use stay out, reference material - and I use a lot of things for that - is kept easy to find on a shelf. I have notebooks full of lists and others showing what I'm doing, what I listened to that day. Only be useful when I'm dead and gone and someone wants to make a movie or a book - way too much info. But it seemed important at the time. Why? Things are so weird today and I hear stories all my life of people doing average things and getting noticed for it. Of course I know, my life is normal to me, but someone else who doesn't live this life may one day find it interesting. Not because I am or think I am special but because how I live may be of interest some day. I've lived a life outside of the normal rounds, made choices that aren't expected etc.
As a history nut, out of the way but ordinary activity for those ordinary people centuries ago is really interesting today because it is different from us. The trick is securing long-term preservation.

polydigm - 2-8-2012 at 23:45

Things are worse with my mother than we first realised but at the same time we've achieved a lot in the last week in fixing up her situation, so, overall, matters appear to have improved.

BBP - 3-8-2012 at 17:57

Sorry to hear that, hope things will work out soon...

Tomorrow I won't be here again since I'll be playing blind guide dog, but today and perhaps/probably continuing after that, I am translating articles from various sources that can be found in the Dutch Royal Library. There are over 700 articles in total, so unless they're special I'm not translating them. Just did a gorgeous review of the '71 concert with Flo and Eddie, Billy The Mountain travelling to Amsterdam and visiting Soestdijk... man how I wish I could've been there...

polydigm - 3-8-2012 at 20:06

Thanks for your wishes Bonny. We're gradually taking things in hand so she has less to stress about and can focus on her remaining interests.

DED - 5-8-2012 at 11:34

And Poly be a little selfish. Altough a life never is completed, this is your change to say the things you want to say, ask the questions you want to ask, share the things you want to share. Things about your early years were you have no memories from, everything about your grandparents and the youth of your mother. For your mother are old memories closer by than you think. When she passes its all gone. It will help you later in that hard time that is coming closer and closer and its nice to give them through to later generations.

polydigm - 5-8-2012 at 23:37

DED, agreed. There's already been a lot of that. She's written quite a few stories down as well.

Anyway, the good news is that her scan showed no signs outside of what would be expected at her age and she has an infection that they believe was affecting her mind along with some dietary deficiencies which are being rectified. She's taking antibiotics now and hopefully we should see an improvement in her mood within a week or so.

BBP - 8-8-2012 at 11:31

Finished browsing 488 articles featuring the word Zappa from the Dutch Royal Library. A lot of those are announcements of a TV show, ads for record stores, articles featuring a football player called Zappa, and betting tips on a horse named Zappa. And one porn entry, which was a misread of the word "zappen".

polydigm - 9-8-2012 at 00:17

Dare I ask?

BBP - 9-8-2012 at 10:43

If the question is "what is porn doing in the newspaper", the answer is "that's the Telegraaf for you". If the question is "what sort of porn" it's the graphic two-word lines they use to sell those phone performances or whatever.

Anyway, I'm browsing the Volkskrant archive online, which goes back to 1994, and one of the things I found is:
"During an official visit to France, Khaddafi put a bedouin tent in the garden of his Parisian hotel. Everyone thought that was funny. Frank Zappa's elder brother: no conventions, surrounded by gorgeous women, old Sahara rocker."
:duh:

[Edited on 9-8-12 by BBP]

punknaynowned - 10-8-2012 at 21:40

Quote: Originally posted by BBP  
I am translating articles from various sources that can be found in the Dutch Royal Library. There are over 700 articles in total, so unless they're special I'm not translating them. Just did a gorgeous review of the '71 concert with Flo and Eddie, Billy The Mountain travelling to Amsterdam and visiting Soestdijk... man how I wish I could've been there...


:bouncy:clapclapclapclap:bouncy:

[Edited on 10-8-12 by punknaynowned]

DED - 11-8-2012 at 21:37

This day is a rest day. Bonny and I went to Delft yesterday . A very important and well conservated city in Holland. Delft is primarily known for its typically Dutch town centre (with canals); also for the painter Vermeer, Delft Blue pottery (Delftware), the Delft University of Technology, and its association with the Dutch royal family, the House of Orange-Nassau.We went to visit the Steen (a medieval prison) the new church and the old church and off course walking around the canals.

BBP - 12-8-2012 at 12:11

Here's what we did: ve visited Delft. Not Delft's prime attraction, but the old town hall prison and two churches.

The prison is called Het Steen and is part of the Delft town hall. The Delft town hall burnt down twice (wooden buildings, ya know) but after the second time, Delft had become a wealthy place. For the relative small sum of 12,000 guilders, it was built around the surviving stone tower of the previous town halls, by notable architect Hendrik de Keyser.



Entrance to the prison, where the interrogation also took place. It's built with solid and original oak (containing lots of inscriptions by prisoners) around stone: not easy to escape without bribing someone. The air is very stuffy, as you can imagine, with all that wood and little ventilation. It did have an extra window added to it.

The instruments in the pictures are all real and were actually used back in the day.
The most famous prisoner ever to be locked up in De Steen, was Balthasar Gerards, murderer of William the Silent. I won't repeat here what happened to this guy. His "interrogation procedures" didn't happen here though, that happened in the Hague: BG probably "only" spent time in the chokey.

This stuffy and small 4 by 4 meter cell was used for all the town prisoners and would often be full. The torture would be visible to all prisoners, so they could see what was in store for them.


Brekebeen in Dutch, the Break-A-Leg: nasty criminals would be tied to it and be hit twice on each limb, thus breaking all the bones in arms and legs, causing slow and agonizing death. If you paid a bit of extra money to the executioner, he'd hit your heart as a mercy kill. Of course, some people would pay the executioner to deal out the mercy blow. They also had one of those stretch banks but I apparently don't have a good picture. Nor did I take a picture of the "huik": a bottomless barrel with a hole in the top, that had to be worn by adulterous men as a coat. It was very heavy and wearing it would mean getting egged, mocked, spat at and all.


If orphans had been trying to escape the orphanage, they would be chained to these heavy blocks and force to bring them with them to school/church for days, which would result in mockery, rotten food throwing and all.


The cell within the chamber for the nastier prisoners. Food was only shoved through the window in the door and the bad prisoners had to rely on the ones in the main chamber to get their food.


Original window: 5 sets of iron bars thick. I took this pic through the holes of the first one so that doesn't show.


[spoiler]This is the chokey. After prisoners were sentenced to death, they were put in here between conviction and execution. It's 90 cm high (less than 3 foot), no fresh air, no food, unable to stand, naturally no bathroom facilities... A lot of people died in the chokey already: which could possibly be not as awful as the public execution.

The prison section of the tour only lasted fifteen minutes, but it's not something I'm likely to forget soon. Eek.

Anyway afterwards we went to visit two churches, the Old and the New church, which was also harsh on the lungs. Here's the New one:

It was new at the time of course, but it was built between 1400 and 1655. The colour differences of the steeple are caused by the different materials: the second octagonal is getting black from acid rain, an irreversible process. It's also darker on one side than on the other because of the wind. Most famously, this church is the final stop for the Dutch royal family and it hosts the imposing William the Silent tomb.


The Imposing William The Silent tomb. It cost a fortune to make: about 3 times as much as the town hall. Designed by Hendrick de Keyser, it was completed in 1623, has 7 major statues and is made of black, white and gold-veined marble.

The Old Church has a leaning steeple.

This one hosts other famous casualties: Johannes Vermeer, H.K. Poot (poet), Antonie van Leeuwenhoek (who founded microbiology, vastly improved microscopes and did a lot of research in the field), Piet Hein (captured the Spanish treasure fleet) and Maarten Tromp.

Interestingly, both churches have very new glass-in-lead windows, they didn't start re-installing stained glass until 1921. All the old glass was ruined in the Delftse Donderslag, when a gunpowder storage blew up, killed hundreds and destroyed 500 houses and every window in town.

punknaynowned - 12-8-2012 at 15:33

great pictures!
thanks for the tour!!!
:bouncing:

BBP - 12-8-2012 at 21:57

You're welcome!
Didn't make the video, but I did take the ride at sunset, which was beautiful and awesome!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUYwvHjgDJU

Sorry about the mistake, I updated the link now!

[Edited on 13-8-12 by BBP]

KAPTKIRK - 12-8-2012 at 22:24

Great tour of "The Torture Never Stops" kinda place BP.I wonder if your drifting off into S&M now? :lol:

Been in hospital for a few days.I bashed my elbow and it turned into an infection.Now I'm at home resting with antibiotics pumping into me on one arm and a suck vac attached to the other arm with wound.Can't comb/wash hair and am feeding myself left handed.What fun.It's going on 3 days of over 100 degrees with more to come.Oh joy.I'm to depleted of strenth to type anymore.

punknaynowned - 13-8-2012 at 15:22

get well soon Kiirk :bouncy:

BBP - 13-8-2012 at 16:35

Oh right, can you picture me in like a leather teddy? Yeah right, "hurt me hurt me" I'm sure, no way!
(Dad that's an FZ reference)
Get well soon, Kirk! (hug)

BBP - 14-8-2012 at 12:03

Read that there are riots in Amiens, where Aqua lives. Are you OK Aqua?

polydigm - 14-8-2012 at 16:27

Sorry to hear about your plight Kirk. Hang in there mate.

aquagoat - 14-8-2012 at 20:18

Quote: Originally posted by BBP  
Read that there are riots in Amiens, where Aqua lives. Are you OK Aqua?
Yes, I'm ok, I didn't even know about that until I read your post. It happened in a very specific district of the city that has undergone a lot of changes recently since a few derelict buildings must be destroyed to create new ones in the next 5 years. It's a district where a lot of poor people live and where a lot of drug trafficking takes place and there have been a few fights with the police since the beginning of the destructions a few months ago, because some of these buildings were used to stock weapons and drugs. It's a typical "ghetto" story.

BBP - 14-8-2012 at 20:29

Hmmm... I see a connection with Waalre...

KAPTKIRK - 17-8-2012 at 06:11

Thanks folks.I tell ya the cure was worse than the ailment.They took me off the antibodies today as my blood work showed it was shutting down my kidneys too.A side effect in some they say.Still shakey and now the damn walk about thingy is going off! I should have got a lap top.
Talk to ya'll soon as I can sit up for more than 10:00 min.The well wishes are much apprieciated,thanx folk's. {-

BBP - 18-8-2012 at 16:13

Feel better!

I'm hard at work to finish the forum B-day present.

KAPTKIRK - 19-8-2012 at 04:31

Finish that Frank damn project BP and I'll be on chat tomorrow.I'll try and be on from 3-7 PST,if that's alright with everyone.
Feeling better,still weak though.Saving my strenth for the Zappa.com forum chat room Frank damn special gab fest and all around good vibe thing for the 10th forum B-day.Talk to you in real time tomorrow. {-

[Edited on 10/10/10 by KAPTKIRK]

BBP - 20-8-2012 at 22:44

Finished it, will publish tomorrow.

KAPTKIRK - 21-8-2012 at 00:51

Oh boy,can't wait Bonny! Bet your glad your done with all of us bugging you about it.

Nurse is on the way,I seem to be swelling some.Water retention? I thought that was a female trip! My toes look like those little sausages,and only my left hand is swollen...Hmmm?
I probably got something like the west nile virus from a mosquito,the way this thing is playing out.Blood work-up should tell the tale.We'll see. {-

KAPTKIRK - 21-8-2012 at 01:55

Go to emergency,do not collect $200,go directly to emergency! Blood Pressure is sky high.Talk to you??????? Like Rosanna Anna Danna,it's always something! {-

KAPTKIRK - 21-8-2012 at 08:14

Quote: Originally posted by KAPTKIRK  
Go to emergency,do not collect $200,go directly to emergency! Blood Pressure is sky high.Talk to you??????? Like Rosanna Anna Danna,it's always something! {-


4 hours + and back with new BP medicine. 210 over 110 Jeeze Louise!

BTW: BP = Blood Pressure,this time only.Sorry Bonny,I forgot until I reread the post! :blush: Besides I'm a sick guy,show some mercy...please. :grin: LOL!

[Edited on 10/10/10 by KAPTKIRK]

BBP - 21-8-2012 at 11:01

Quote: Originally posted by KAPTKIRK  
Go to emergency,do not collect $200,go directly to emergency! Blood Pressure is sky high.Talk to you??????? Like Rosanna Anna Danna,it's always something! {-


Odd you say that, only yesterday I had the idea of a Zappa monopoly!

BBP - 21-8-2012 at 16:27

http://www.zappa.com/messageboard/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=2...

KAPTKIRK - 21-8-2012 at 22:20

Quote: Originally posted by BBP  
Quote: Originally posted by KAPTKIRK  
Go to emergency,do not collect $200,go directly to emergency! Blood Pressure is sky high.Talk to you??????? Like Rosanna Anna Danna,it's always something! {-


Odd you say that, only yesterday I had the idea of a Zappa monopoly!

That does sound very interesting and could be ...hey,alot of fun! Get your shoe's and socks on people,it's right around the corner from Park Place/Log Cabin/Santa Monica's Boardwalk etc.
By jove I think it could happen here! LOL :cool:

polydigm - 22-8-2012 at 02:14

Frank Zappa does have the monopoly on being Zappa.

Posthumously of course, I haven't got my tenses mixed up, that monopoly continues to reign.

And, with all due respect to the other "Zappas" of course.

KAPTKIRK - 22-8-2012 at 07:25

I don't want to step on any of the Zappa's Freakin' Toes or break up THEY'RE MONOPOLY,but we could just use flake names and make it up as we go.
I'll roll the dice........got a six.Landed at the Olive Green Hotel.I own it.Mwahahaha!
:forumsmiley461: to the Olive Green Hotel! Today I'm thinking of buying the Montana Rail Road. ;)

BBP - 22-8-2012 at 10:45

What streets would you include in Zappopoly? Streets mentioned in FZ-songs: could you find 40 of them? Album titles and track numbers?

KAPTKIRK - 23-8-2012 at 06:41

Quote: Originally posted by BBP  
What streets would you include in Zappopoly? Streets mentioned in FZ-songs: could you find 40 of them? Album titles and track numbers?


Sunset Blvd. comes to mind.I don't think I could come up with 40 off the top of my head.I'd have to go through the whole FZ catalog to find 10 much less 40.Laurel Canyon and Sunset Blvd. where from one song.Plastic People.Short answer,I don't know.Good question,now I'm curious...skeptical but curious.How many streets in FZ's songs? Alot of towns & places,real and imagined,are more likely to reach 40.Go with hotels he's got 200 of them! LOL!

punknaynowned - 23-8-2012 at 07:16

I like kiirk's suggestion of places, for sure:
hahhahahahaaa

Canarsie
Sun Village
the Whiskey
the filmore east
the mudd club
concertgeboew even
or The Ahoy in Rotterdam
Montreaux
the roxy
Montana
The North
I think Cantor's has to be there
or that drum shop in San Diego
Edward's Air Force Base
Howard Johnson's and Holiday Inn's can act like the utilities

The Log Cabin could be Go or The Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
a luxury or poor tax could be Montreaux where they lose their instruments in a fire or where they lose their manager and all the cash on hand on tour...

But how to account that any place you may get sent to play may in fact be a money losing situation as well as a money gaining situation? Frank played near Canarsie and got Warren in the audience. He played in St Louis where a young Ike Willis approached him but had just played a string of shows that almost all lost money. How to account for that inthe changing nature of the game?

you guys figure it out

btw Bonny your diorama deserves a much bigger screen than I have so it is difficult for me to see enough, but amazing work!

BBP - 23-8-2012 at 10:04

Click the artwork in question to get a good view!
Top left
Top right
Bottom left
Bottom right

KAPTKIRK - 23-8-2012 at 10:34

Just toying with ideas punk.
I like the quandrant thing with the picture Bonny,the whole thing is quit,ahem,busy.Now I think I see The Planet Of My Dreams and it's Ethel dreaming it. Am I close or should I put this guess in Zappa.com? :cool:

BBP - 23-8-2012 at 12:41

It's been guessed already, sorry! You can see in the second post on the first page which titles were guessed correctly already. Be sure to check it out!

KAPTKIRK - 25-8-2012 at 05:27

Quote: Originally posted by BBP  
It's been guessed already, sorry! You can see in the second post on the first page which titles were guessed correctly already. Be sure to check it out!

Thanx,and a great idea too!

BBP - 25-8-2012 at 13:34

Having a bad day. Fell pretty hard on the way back from the supermarket, because the crank arm of the right pedal broke off. Got large wounds on my elbow and knee now.

Bonny's In Da House! Hide your china!

KAPTKIRK - 25-8-2012 at 22:47

Quote: Originally posted by BBP  
Having a bad day. Fell pretty hard on the way back from the supermarket, because the crank arm of the right pedal broke off. Got large wounds on my elbow and knee now.

Bonny's In Da House! Hide your china!

Make sure the wounds are all clean! That's how my elbow started,years ago I bashed it and it must of never healed up right or rather it healed with something still in it.Take care of yourself Bonny or there will be hell to pay later,trust me!

polydigm - 26-8-2012 at 02:47

Personally I think the best setting for Zappopoly would be the set of 200 Motels. His face could be in middle of the board just like on the cover. It would not have to be strictly only 200 Motels stuff, but it's a good overall theme I reckon.

Sorry to hear about your injuries Bonny, chin up.

KAPTKIRK - 26-8-2012 at 03:41

Quote: Originally posted by polydigm  
Personally I think the best setting for Zappopoly would be the set of 200 Motels. His face could be in middle of the board just like on the cover. It would not have to be strictly only 200 Motels stuff, but it's a good overall theme I reckon.

Sorry to hear about your injuries Bonny, chin up.

I like that idea.Especialy the Zappapoly part! He,he. :lol:

BBP - 26-8-2012 at 19:33

Thanks for the well-wishes Kirk and Poly!

http://www.omroepbrabant.nl/?news/179321702/Zon+breekt+door+...
For Punky!

punknaynowned - 27-8-2012 at 03:20

Thanks B, I enjoyed that. Watching the parade, pardon, Brabantsedag in Heeze was fun.
We had what they called a busker festival here. So much that I didn't go downtown at all this weekend.
But it looked like it was some fun,
http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2012/aug/25/street-performers-t...


also, here's a new series where this guy goes to different cities and talks about history and stuff. The third show is about Lawrence, where I live.
hope you can watch this as it is on hulu and I know some things won't play overseas
http://new.hulu.com/watch/392750


[Edited on 27-8-12 by punknaynowned]

BBP - 27-8-2012 at 17:15

Glad you liked it Punk!

Sister lefta few hours ago. We played ping pong earlier, and while doing that we spotted two buzzards hovering over us, making a lot of noise. An awesome sight, after which we went home to grab the cameras and go bird spotting.

Took my bicycle to the guy I bought it from. He was amazed by the break, said he'd never seen it before, and in view of how it happened, he decided to give me a 50% price cut.

Feeling a lot better. Though my leg is quite bruised.

BBP - 27-8-2012 at 20:22

Oh Punky: the busking festival looks fun, but I can't see Hulu at all.

aquagoat - 28-8-2012 at 18:03

bought this yesterday:




+ all the necessary parts to make it work correctly.:bouncing::bouncy:

BBP - 28-8-2012 at 19:44

KAPTKIRK - 28-8-2012 at 20:10

Quote: Originally posted by aquagoat  
bought this yesterday:




+ all the necessary parts to make it work correctly.:bouncing::bouncy:

Very cool aquagoat.Who's the little cartoon guy at the top of the body on back? It looks like Homer Simson playing a guitar,but is really too small to make it out clearly.

aquagoat - 29-8-2012 at 07:23

It's a kind of turtle guy that serves the Warmoth company as a mascot:



[Edited on 29-8-2012 by aquagoat]

KAPTKIRK - 29-8-2012 at 17:28

Quote: Originally posted by aquagoat  
It's a kind of turtle guy that serves the Warmoth company as a mascot:



[Edited on 29-8-2012 by aquagoat]

Well Homer is shaped like a turtle.Ha,ha! I really like the wood grain patterns very classy.Hope the tones right for you.

aquagoat - 29-8-2012 at 18:45

we'll hear that when I've received and assembled the parts. I think it'll be good.

punknaynowned - 30-8-2012 at 10:49

that looks really nice aqua. what kind of wood is it?
thanks for buying american ;)

aquagoat - 31-8-2012 at 06:49

The body's made of black korina with a glossy finish and the neck is wenge with an ebony fretboard with no finish. First I intended to buy that kind of body:

but you rarely see so much of that reddish/orange colour in that wood so when I saw the other body I knew I had to buy it. I plan to put a Floyd rose tremolo system and Dimarzio Fast track 2, Red velvet and Pro track pickups in it, so it won't really sound like a strat. haha :roll:

As to buying american, it wasn't really a criterion but I couldn't find a company doing the same thing with the same level of quality and for the same price in france, so I didn't really have the choice.:(

[Edited on 31-8-2012 by aquagoat]

punknaynowned - 31-8-2012 at 10:53

it looks very nice and I hope it gives you years of enjoyment!

ha! the buy america thing is an uncharacteristic thing for me to say anyway.
but it's also nice to hear that they had what you wanted.
To know that we still can and do that. Despite transatlantic costs...

BBP - 2-9-2012 at 15:56

As a kid, my favourite friends were my soft toys. Whether I got bullied at school or I had to rehearse a talk in class, my plushies were the place to go to.
Even in secondary school I just couldn't bear to throw them out of bed. Until that vacacion between secondary school and university.
I got these horrible sleeping problems, sore eyes and a runny nose kept me awake every night. After some deduction I found it were my dear friends who caused this grief. I spent one summer day cleaning them thoroughly, but it didn't help.
When there was no space in bed anymore, the 100+ toys quickly took over the room. Eventually, after a lot of nagging from my father, I succumbed to putting all but a handful of favourites in cardboard boxes. They were stored in the attic.

Disaster struck. Mice took over the attic and destroyed one childhood doll. Since I cannot climb up into the attic myself, I had no choice but to let them at my cherished friends. It broke my heart.

Today my father decided to pull them from there. He first got the boxes that held my sister's toys. The mice had been in there all-right: they were filled with droppings and the poison we had set on them. But lo, mice don't like toys! A few were slightly damaged, one had to be thrown away and a mouse needs a change of pants, but besides that, nothing we can't fix! I cleaned them all and they're now drying.

Then dad went up to get mine, and surprise: my boxes weren't broken into at all!

I got to rummage into the boxes. I could empty at least one of them, since many of the teddies I'm not attached to at all, but there's a couple that really melt me. How could I ever stick them in the attic in the first place?
Anyway if I'm not there anymore tomorrow, I will have died of nostalgia. By now I believe that's possible.

BBP - 3-9-2012 at 20:31

Hmmm. I believe those pictures of my leg killed the forum.

Leg's still blue.

aquagoat - 4-9-2012 at 06:58

hahaha, yes, the forum killing blue leg has stuck again. How did you do that to you?

[Edited on 4-9-2012 by aquagoat]

BBP - 4-9-2012 at 11:26

Just by falling over with my bicycle and getting my leg trapped between my bicycle and the kerb.

We almost had a war here years ago over the location of a game, a game only I liked: in English it's called Key To The Kingdom. It dates from the early 90s and is very complicated. I thought my sister had brought it with her when she moved out of the house, and my sister thought she'd put it in the attic. She was right and we just found it.
Played it twice with my father. Lost twice.

aquagoat - 5-9-2012 at 06:51

You're going to kill yourself with that bicycle. Careful bonny, a bicycle is a very dangerous vehicle, believe me.

BBP - 5-9-2012 at 14:49

Oh right! How are your elbows, have you got all functions back yet?

DED - 5-9-2012 at 16:34

lost twice? no young lady. we played it three times and I won all of them, altough we did not compplete the first game. I had the key, a treasure and the snake( :-( )

KAPTKIRK - 5-9-2012 at 16:52

Nerve damage in right hand from op-on elbow.Hurts like hell! Type with left hand. Ouch!

BBP - 5-9-2012 at 19:02

Oh poor Kirk! Get well soon hon!

KAPTKIRK - 5-9-2012 at 19:36

Quote: Originally posted by BBP  
Oh poor Kirk! Get well soon hon!

Thanx Beeps.I managed to do myself damage without the help of a bicycle! LOL!

BBP - 6-9-2012 at 18:23

That's my special skill too, Kirk. :)
Anyway, am thinking now what to do next on the Z-site now that the 50 titles are guessed. And am looking for birthday presents for my sister.

aquagoat - 6-9-2012 at 18:36

Quote: Originally posted by BBP  
Oh right! How are your elbows, have you got all functions back yet?
my elbow's ok, it still hurts a bit sometimes, but that's ok.
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