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BBP - 31-8-2015 at 22:09

First was the GP,but he didn't know what it was and decided I should get an eye doctor. His preliminary diagnosis was migraine, and after my master of all headaches the day after the research I could see that - but the blurry vision didn't go away like a scotoma would, so I relented and contacted the hospital when my eyes became bloodshot.

Today was the big day of the eye exam. Went well prepared with a photo of my bloodshot eye, a complete written medical history of the past 5 weeks, passport and insurance card.
With the appointment at 8:30 it was a bit early in the day for me, but still manageable. On the way there I spotted a frog that jumped away from right in front of my bicycle.
After checking in, I was picked out of the waiting room to get a preliminary check. The doctor had me sit at one end of the room and had a nifty computer screen with letters on it at one end, I had to read them with one eye. It showed that the right eye indeed is rather blurry, but I already knew that. After that doc pressed a button and a hi-tech machine used to test for myopia and such. Everything was bad for me, but there wasn't much deviation in that regard.
Then he put some drops in both my eyes for measuring the eye pressure. The drops weren't pleasant, to say the least. Doc gave me a tissue to wipe the tears in. I noticed the drops were a toxic yellow. Maybe my eyes will glow in the dark!
The pressure measuring device came straight from hell. A large apparatus with a bright light in the distance and a large pole with a blue light at the end poking out has to be placed pretty much on the eye - my right eye is sensitive now, the proximity hurt, not to mention the light.
He jotted the data down, did some more eye movement tests and eventually set me up to meet the eye doctor.

Inbetween the doctor visits I'm called to update my info. My old GP retired and they wanted the name of my new one.

The second doctor was thoroughly looking at the eye, made me do all types of test I don't remember well, but they were rather painful. All I remember is at one point he told me to look at a box and asked me if one eye saw a different hue of red than the other. The one on the right was a bit more red.
After the tests, he asked me if I felt one eyelid hanging down a bit lower than the other. No, why? He directed me to the mirror, and lo - my right eyelid was drooping.
He noticed that my right eye veers off. It has always done that, for as far as I know. I primarily look with left and ignore the right image. So he referred me to the orthoptist, and I got to the waiting room again.

A friendly little lady comes to pick me up. As I walk into her office, I immediately notice that her average patient is a lot younger than me. Children's drawings thanking her for curing her eyes line the wall. After some following the little lamp research, she sets me behind the Viewmaster Master. It is a device where each eye has to see a different image, and you have to merge them. The first one is a puppy and a dog house, where the assignment is "move the dog until it's in the dog house". The second one has a mother rabbit with one baby bunny, and the same mother rabbit with another baby bunny, and I have to merge the two pictures to see one mum and two bunnies.
Apparently I have a noticeable deviation on both sides.

So now I have two follow-up appointments. For my blurred vision, more data is needed. On September 28 I'll be getting more tests, and I need to administer eye drops an hour, and at 30 minutes, before the appointment. These drops will dilute my pupils and relax my lenses, so vision will be troublesome.

For the eye straightening - the orthoptist is fully booked. My next appointment for that is November 9.

BBP - 31-8-2015 at 22:11

There's this photo of the cultural festival Brabantsedag I've been sharing:

aquagoat - 1-9-2015 at 18:51

Quote: Originally posted by BBP  
First was the GP,but he didn't know what it was and decided I should get an eye doctor. His preliminary diagnosis was migraine, and after my master of all headaches the day after the research I could see that - but the blurry vision didn't go away like a scotoma would, so I relented and contacted the hospital when my eyes became bloodshot.

Today was the big day of the eye exam. Went well prepared with a photo of my bloodshot eye, a complete written medical history of the past 5 weeks, passport and insurance card.
With the appointment at 8:30 it was a bit early in the day for me, but still manageable. On the way there I spotted a frog that jumped away from right in front of my bicycle.
After checking in, I was picked out of the waiting room to get a preliminary check. The doctor had me sit at one end of the room and had a nifty computer screen with letters on it at one end, I had to read them with one eye. It showed that the right eye indeed is rather blurry, but I already knew that. After that doc pressed a button and a hi-tech machine used to test for myopia and such. Everything was bad for me, but there wasn't much deviation in that regard.
Then he put some drops in both my eyes for measuring the eye pressure. The drops weren't pleasant, to say the least. Doc gave me a tissue to wipe the tears in. I noticed the drops were a toxic yellow. Maybe my eyes will glow in the dark!
The pressure measuring device came straight from hell. A large apparatus with a bright light in the distance and a large pole with a blue light at the end poking out has to be placed pretty much on the eye - my right eye is sensitive now, the proximity hurt, not to mention the light.
He jotted the data down, did some more eye movement tests and eventually set me up to meet the eye doctor.

Inbetween the doctor visits I'm called to update my info. My old GP retired and they wanted the name of my new one.

The second doctor was thoroughly looking at the eye, made me do all types of test I don't remember well, but they were rather painful. All I remember is at one point he told me to look at a box and asked me if one eye saw a different hue of red than the other. The one on the right was a bit more red.
After the tests, he asked me if I felt one eyelid hanging down a bit lower than the other. No, why? He directed me to the mirror, and lo - my right eyelid was drooping.
He noticed that my right eye veers off. It has always done that, for as far as I know. I primarily look with left and ignore the right image. So he referred me to the orthoptist, and I got to the waiting room again.

A friendly little lady comes to pick me up. As I walk into her office, I immediately notice that her average patient is a lot younger than me. Children's drawings thanking her for curing her eyes line the wall. After some following the little lamp research, she sets me behind the Viewmaster Master. It is a device where each eye has to see a different image, and you have to merge them. The first one is a puppy and a dog house, where the assignment is "move the dog until it's in the dog house". The second one has a mother rabbit with one baby bunny, and the same mother rabbit with another baby bunny, and I have to merge the two pictures to see one mum and two bunnies.
Apparently I have a noticeable deviation on both sides.

So now I have two follow-up appointments. For my blurred vision, more data is needed. On September 28 I'll be getting more tests, and I need to administer eye drops an hour, and at 30 minutes, before the appointment. These drops will dilute my pupils and relax my lenses, so vision will be troublesome.

For the eye straightening - the orthoptist is fully booked. My next appointment for that is November 9.
My ex-girlfriend had some of your tests when we met cause one of her eyes veered off, which gave her a certain charm but also headaches and she felt dizzy when she was tired, then she had to take a few appointment with a doctor to exercise her eyes and make them look in the same direction, now her eyes are ok, no more squint, no more headache, etc...

BBP - 2-9-2015 at 08:42

Not sure if that's going to work for me. My sister had surgery on her eye years ago.

aquagoat - 3-9-2015 at 18:36

Well, I hope you won't have to go through eye surgery.

punknaynowned - 4-9-2015 at 02:14

Quote: Originally posted by BBP  
Here:
http://www.omroepbrabant.nl/brabantsedag
Starts in three hours!


Thank You! I'm way late, I've been away, but I think I can watch it still... :bouncy:


punknaynowned - 4-9-2015 at 02:31

sorry to read about your headaches and eye uncertainty. Disconcerting.

I had a minor ear irritation earlier in the year and would lose my balance, especially laying down and getting up from sleep. It got worse, off and on until I told someone. They said to let a drop of isopropyl alchohol sit in the ear well until it evaporates. The infection went away. The balance problem too. Looks like I'm lucky again. But I've been sick again this last week. A cough, headaches that have been better the last couple days. Visited my brother this week ~320km away in Wichita, KS. We went to a favorite bookstore there owned by an old friend and long time bookseller. He's a greek orthodox living in Wichita for over the last thirty years. Wonderful guy.

BBP - 4-9-2015 at 09:10


punknaynowned - 4-9-2015 at 19:50


WOW!

Typing all that would give me a headache!
But I have done the same sort of thing before myself. Thank You!
I'm sending this along to family to show them a bit of what I delight in.
Be well friend!

BBP - 4-9-2015 at 23:27

Labour of love! Glad you spread the word!

polydigm - 6-9-2015 at 06:33

Been really busy at uni - have managed to keep up so far - first big test coming up Monday week.

Sorry to hear about your eye problem Bonny. I hope it can be sorted out.

I had a migraine last Sunday morning and managed to get through it without pain killers, so it seems at least that they're getting milder. I still felt pretty shitty for most of the day, but not having to take pain killers was a bonus.

BBP - 6-9-2015 at 19:17

Good luck on your test Poly!

BBP - 7-9-2015 at 22:36

Scored a decent Japanese dictionary! :bouncing:

DED - 8-9-2015 at 17:10

damned. Found my super 8 projector on the attick with worn out belts. Yesterday I managed a swap with a new one. But now I have a frame error. I cannot cortect it enough. Some other films work well. I have to change something...but what. Its a Canon PS 1000.

BBP - 9-9-2015 at 19:52

We cut down a tree today.

aquagoat - 10-9-2015 at 16:36

and you didn't hurt yourself? lol.

BBP - 10-9-2015 at 19:24

We're both sore and scratched, but that's to be expected with major yardwork.

polydigm - 11-9-2015 at 01:45

Quote: Originally posted by DED  
Yesterday I managed a swap with a new one. But now I have a frame error. I cannot cortect it enough. Some other films work well. I have to change something...but what. Its a Canon PS 1000.
I have no expertise in this but if it's a new one, how come it doesn't work?
Quote: Originally posted by aquagoat  
and you didn't hurt yourself? lol.
You're a real card. I have to admit though, this probably would have occured to me also if you hadn't pointed it out.

So, could zappa.com get any worse? The place has completely degenerated into a high school playground.

BBP - 11-9-2015 at 10:36

Terrible isn't it? Like watching a car crash or reading Youtube comments.

aquagoat - 13-9-2015 at 07:34

Quote: Originally posted by polydigm  
Quote: Originally posted by DED  
Yesterday I managed a swap with a new one. But now I have a frame error. I cannot cortect it enough. Some other films work well. I have to change something...but what. Its a Canon PS 1000.
I have no expertise in this but if it's a new one, how come it doesn't work?
Quote: Originally posted by aquagoat  
and you didn't hurt yourself? lol.
You're a real card.
yes I am.

polydigm - 13-9-2015 at 15:59

Should be asleep by now, big test in the morning.

BBP - 13-9-2015 at 18:46

Poly, go to sleep! :biggrin:

polydigm - 14-9-2015 at 09:56

I eventually got to sleep but had a pretty restless night. The weather's been pretty cool for a long time now and then all of a sudden, in the last couple of days, it warmed up significantly, so now I'm getting sweaty at night.

Anyway, the test went pretty well, but I won't say anything more until I see the marks.

BBP - 14-9-2015 at 10:44

Fingers crossed!

polydigm - 17-9-2015 at 14:01

Just had a rough day. Went to the Quantum Mechanics lecture where it was announced that our tests were available for viewing in the lecturer's office and so was was keenly looking forward to see mine. Then, about ten minutes before the end of the lecture, I started getting a migraine and had to walk out and go home. It was a pretty bad migraine this time and I needed some strong pain killers to get through it. And, to boot, I won't be seeing my test until tomorrow.

BBP - 17-9-2015 at 18:38

Sorry to hear about that, Poly... hope you'll feel better! {hug}

BBP - 19-9-2015 at 00:06

It's a busy few days for me... hope I can elaborate a bit tomorrow.

polydigm - 20-9-2015 at 10:12

Well, I got 100% for the test! I am usually incapable of getting full marks, no matter how well prepared I might be, I always manage to forget some small detail or make a silly mistake.

aquagoat - 20-9-2015 at 11:27

congratulations, Poly!

BBP - 20-9-2015 at 12:00

Wow, Poly, amazing! Congratulations!

I remember how proud I was that time I scored 100% at uni... worth much more than all the 100% tests at high school combined.

We had a rough adventure here yesterday. Long and terrible story, but basically we saved two horses.

DED - 22-9-2015 at 11:50

My grats to Poly.

Sit was down for a short time due to the migrationt to another server. Everything is ok now.

BBP - 22-9-2015 at 13:18

We're BACK people! :bald:

aquagoat - 22-9-2015 at 16:43

were we gone?

BBP - 22-9-2015 at 17:23

Yeah, for about 18 hours.

DED - 22-9-2015 at 17:43

haha

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DED - 22-9-2015 at 17:45

Sites were moved to a new server by our host. Everything worked but al references to database were wrong after that (10 out of 10).
Madee some alterations and we are back

DED - 23-9-2015 at 12:16

Dutch words explained

http://www.buzzfeed.com/maggyvaneijk/afgelebberde-paardelul#...

aquagoat - 23-9-2015 at 16:57

Quote: Originally posted by DED  
haha
hahaha, it's a good one.

aquagoat - 23-9-2015 at 16:57

Quote: Originally posted by BBP  
Yeah, for about 18 hours.
ha, :shy:

BBP - 24-9-2015 at 01:11

I'm bored with Zappa.com, I can't believe it!

DED - 24-9-2015 at 11:49

is there nothing to read about our little adventure saturday? BBP

BBP - 24-9-2015 at 12:18

Nah, they don't need to know there.

aquagoat - 24-9-2015 at 16:03

I wanna know, now.

BBP - 24-9-2015 at 16:29

Check your U2U, these things had better not be made public.

BBP - 26-9-2015 at 00:06

Papers didn't get in until 9PM today. Think I should complain about that.

polydigm - 26-9-2015 at 02:40


aquagoat - 26-9-2015 at 08:03


aquagoat - 26-9-2015 at 08:05

Quote: Originally posted by BBP  
Check your U2U, these things had better not be made public.
U2U checked.

BBP - 26-9-2015 at 11:50

"Aardappel" doesn't sound sexy at all. The only phrase we have for them is you can have them "in your throat", which means you use an English R instead of a Till Lindemann R when speaking Dutch.

BBP - 26-9-2015 at 11:59

Caputh and I have started a topic on WW2, so I actually sat here researching my posts. Embrace Godwin!

aquagoat - 27-9-2015 at 08:31

Quote: Originally posted by BBP  
Caputh and I have started a topic on WW2, so I actually sat here researching my posts. Embrace Godwin!
good point...

BBP - 27-9-2015 at 15:17

He's already had me baffled. I spent two days researching Seyss-Inquart to see how the Dutch feel about them.

BBP - 28-9-2015 at 16:29

Went to the eye doctor today.
Missed the blood red super moon eclipse for it.
I had to administer pupil enlarging eye drops an hour before the appointment - in the hospital a fellow patient helped me out with that until my father came.
The stuff is slightly prickly and immediately blurs badly - before long I can barely read.

Evntually I wasn't at the doctor's for long. She measured my eyes and detected I'm ever so slightly far-sighted (would have NEVER guessed that, short-sighted if anything...) and detects astigmata in the right eye. Basically that means that the eye is not perfectly round. Possibly caused by damage.
She then gave me the tip to buy cheap reading glasses to see if it is improving with the farsightedness. And absolutely nothing on the blurry vision in one eye, which was what I came in for.

I am seriously thinking of going to the GP to get another eye doctor.

BBP - 4-10-2015 at 17:36

Aaaand Back again!

Had some trouble this week after I lost my ID - we turned over the couch in order to find it and I checked with about 20 different stores. Turned out the man on the market who sells me cheese had found it. So now I got it back again, yay!

polydigm - 5-10-2015 at 01:06

Bonny, I see you're keeping them on their toes at zappa.com. You won't ever change JayP, he's an idiot. It occurred to me when I was reading an article there about the Firewater Myth posted by MGG that idiots like JayP just wouldn't understand it.

And Downer is far too arrogant to be argued with. I think somewhere deep down, his heart is in the right place, but he's too clever with his arguments for his own good, hence he can say some very interesting things about a variety of issues but then come up with all that ridiculous crap about gun laws. And, "Which came first, bigotry or humans?", what the hell does that even mean?

Anyway, back to my work for the test tomorrow.

BBP - 5-10-2015 at 09:03

Yah better not get distracted. I don't mind flexing my muscles if I'm sure I'll win.

BBP - 7-10-2015 at 20:23

Found a beautiful book at a charity shop. It's a remembrance book about the battles of May 1940 in The Netherlands.

polydigm - 8-10-2015 at 08:39

The test was a disaster.

Too bad about Gail. Too sad.

BBP - 8-10-2015 at 13:34

Sorry to hear about your test Poly...

I opened a topic on the Zappa section about Gail.

polydigm - 8-10-2015 at 16:00

I wonder what they're doing with the forum.

BBP - 8-10-2015 at 16:34

Bring it back and not care about it?

DZ is scheduled to play Amsterdam on the 24th, less than three weeks from now. Do you think he'll still play?

BBP - 8-10-2015 at 18:33

In relatively good news, a Dutch court has fined 8 people for making racist remarks on the Facebook page of the ultra-right-wing party.

polydigm - 9-10-2015 at 14:16

Well, zappa.com is back and gone only for the reason of paying Gail a tribute, it seems. Haven't noticed anything's changed otherwise.

My test was on special relativity and it turns out I got 12.5 out of 15, which isn't so bad. The lecturer must have been very lenient.

BBP - 10-10-2015 at 16:08

Hey that's pretty good!

Made a slide and fell with my bicycle. It's in need of a new pedal nut, the steer got bent so badly it had to be replaced, my shoelace broke and the trousers I recently bought are worse for wear.
I'm bruised - it was hard going to sleep but otherwise I'm not badly injured.

polydigm - 11-10-2015 at 06:09

You and bikes!!

That reminds me, that I actually haven't said much about the day my wife and I spent in Amsterdam a week before Christmas last year. One of the main lasting impressions for me was how many people there were riding bikes. And the bike parks! Massive - everywhere.

Just finished the take home test with three days to spare. Now trying to catch up on all the theory I'm still struggling with.

BBP - 11-10-2015 at 09:10

They do, don't they? :) They're very practical to get around in a country without mountains.

BBP - 11-10-2015 at 19:15

Plook did some research after noticing Kapt. Kirk hadn't been online for a while and found he had a heart attack and is in a hospital in San Francisco. Sending some good vibes his way!

polydigm - 13-10-2015 at 01:50

Yeah, that was a bit of a shock. I don't talk to Kirk much on zappa.com but we've had several conversations elsewhere about my music and other stuff. I was sorry to hear about his heart attack, he's not that old.

BBP - 13-10-2015 at 18:12

Hope Plook got to visit him today...
Dad fixed my bicycle and it now works again, great!

polydigm - 15-10-2015 at 23:01

Our internet has been down for two days. I've been using the hot spot on my mobile phone. The technician is at the exchange, right now, having a look.

BBP - 16-10-2015 at 20:20

KK's doing bad and ordered to be treated in secret, so sending postcards is not going to help... poor guy...

aquagoat - 17-10-2015 at 06:17

^^ouch, that clearly sucks!

BBP - 18-10-2015 at 00:05

It does. Not sure if it's related to his bullshit court charge...

Anyway, sister's come over, it's very cosy!

BBP - 18-10-2015 at 20:19

Zappa.com's been out all day.

BBP - 19-10-2015 at 16:00

A few days ago I bought a DVD of the Polygoon (Du cinema) news between 1940 and 1945. It was published by the NIOD, the Dutch institute for war documentation.

Beforehand Dad pointed out something to me I should've guessed: it's all nazi-propaganda that says a lot. One item deals with a female member of the Dutch nazi movement NSB - the Catholic and numerous protestant churches had denied NSB members of religious rites, and when the woman died, she wasn't allowed to have a service at church or be buried in sacred ground. Which the NSB solved by occupying the cemetery.

BBP - 21-10-2015 at 15:31

Just spent another day in The Hague browsing for infos. Got two articles on FZ too - one on his passing, and a review of the Grand Wazoo-show that appeared in Haagsche Courant.
These are both in the Zappa-forum:
http://packardgoose.ploeg.ws/interactive/forums/Files/viewth...

aquagoat - 21-10-2015 at 18:34

Quote: Originally posted by BBP  
A few days ago I bought a DVD of the Polygoon (Du cinema) news between 1940 and 1945. It was published by the NIOD, the Dutch institute for war documentation.

Beforehand Dad pointed out something to me I should've guessed: it's all nazi-propaganda that says a lot. One item deals with a female member of the Dutch nazi movement NSB - the Catholic and numerous protestant churches had denied NSB members of religious rites, and when the woman died, she wasn't allowed to have a service at church or be buried in sacred ground. Which the NSB solved by occupying the cemetery.
that's cool, I like watching old news or reading old newspapers, especially from that era, it very interesting, hystorically speaking.

BBP - 22-10-2015 at 17:57

I find it difficult to watch actually. It's a lot of marching and other things we call vlagvertoon.

polydigm - 24-10-2015 at 04:12

Drowning in another take home test, way harder than the previous one.

BBP - 24-10-2015 at 07:50

Ooh Poly, good luck!

I started on a get-to-work-project that basically means I have to do production work 2 days a week and take classes for 2 more days. I hope it's the path to a better future, but for now I feel pretty miserable.

polydigm - 24-10-2015 at 13:35

Get to work project? Production work?

BBP - 24-10-2015 at 17:13

Is my English that bad? Sorry.
Had to apply for unemployment benefits, and under current Dutch legislation this means you have to do some work in exchange - meaning you have to work for about half minimum wage.
Some municipalities, like Eindhoven, refuse to do that (other cities are less friendly. One sad case was of a street sweeper in The Hague who was fired over budget cuts, ended up getting dole and was forced to go to work through the municipality - as a street sweeper. Of course these are the people who don't have the money to sue.)
In Eindhoven you end up in a 3-month traject where you have to work a bit (2 days a week, initially factory-ish work like packing but after 3 weeks you'll get something that suits you more) and get classes 1 day a week. In the mean time there's a team of ten job hunters getting those jobs that you don't see on recruitment sites.
Considerig 60% of the people who enroll find a job before the traject is over, they're doing pretty well.

polydigm - 25-10-2015 at 00:31

There is no problem with your English, I wasn't implying there might be. The problem is with context. You're talking about things that occur in Holland that I don't know about, that's all. I had some idea what you meant as those things sounded familiar to the unemployment situation in Australia and one of my sons had been on the dole for a while recently. But, as you hadn't mentioned that you were on the dole, I didn't want to jump to any conclusions.

Work for the dole is a morally bankrupt concept. The street sweeper example you gave highlights this perfectly. What we should be doing is finding a way to get everyone working for fair pay. This will never happen as long as we put up with the Western World being run by the super rich and letting them continue to shamelessly avoid their social responsibilities in the name of some bankrupt concept of so called freedom.

Anyway,pigs might fly.

On the topic of English, what is a traject? I assume it's the Dutch literally for route or section?

BBP - 25-10-2015 at 07:54

In Dutch we can use the word traject for that, but also for a non-physical route.

aquagoat - 25-10-2015 at 08:55

I hope it'll work well for you BB.:)

BBP - 25-10-2015 at 22:54

I hope so too...

At least next week I don't have to work there - I got a temporary job at the book fair.

Today I went to my favourite theme park with four friends. It was beyond awesome! The weather was great, the new ride was amazing, and since my ticket was a present and for thetrip I could ride along for free, and because I found a 10 euro note - I actually made a profit.

polydigm - 27-10-2015 at 01:05

Excellent. Nothing like a perfect day to shake out the cobwebs.

You still haven't told me what the use of the word traject means in the context of your unemployment program. We don't use that word in English at all. There is the word trajectory, when you're talking about the path of projectiles and so on. Less often it's used to mean the path someone's career might take or the progress of a plan or some such.

BBP - 27-10-2015 at 07:42

A path in the non-literal way.

polydigm - 2-11-2015 at 03:55

My current trajectory is headlong into two exams. I'm just working my way through past papers hoping to build up some match fitness.

BBP - 2-11-2015 at 18:17

Mine was working today. I'm exhausted.

BBP - 3-11-2015 at 12:46

First day off in quite some time, and I'm feeling it! Oh boy.

BBP - 3-11-2015 at 17:56

Bad day today, eye hurts...

polydigm - 3-11-2015 at 22:54

Hang in there Bonny.

Have you ever considered becoming a teacher? Weren't you studying music at university? How did that end up?

BBP - 4-11-2015 at 07:51

Yes, yes, nasty since I had to quit over finances and bad government.

BBP - 5-11-2015 at 19:26

And today I managed to knock something into my left eye. OUCH.
Vision is now difficult on either side. I hope the damage on the left is not permanent - at least it still sees better than the one on the right.

polydigm - 6-11-2015 at 13:56

You're in the wars at the moment, I hope things sort themselves out soon.

We have a fee scheme here where you repay university fees as an extra tax but only while you earn over a certain level of income. What was your difficulty with the government there?

BBP - 6-11-2015 at 18:24

In 2010, the horrible right-wing government was formed of the Christian middle party, the right-wing business men party, and the ultra-right-wing-foreigner-hating populist party. Officially only the first two, but they got support from the third party. They disbanded explosively in 2012.
This government created a fine where you had to pay an additional 3000 euros on top of the 1500 tuition money if you took too long with your studies, as in: more than 4 years. Since our prime minister (at the time and current) studied for 7 years and many other major politicians took more than 4 years AND got much more college subsidies because of the major cut in the early 1990s - this was considered hypocritical and awful, and a deterrent. The law was repealed as soon as it was possible - the same year, and everybody who paid the fine eventually got it back - but I didn't have the funds to pay for tuition at the start of the year.

As a point of interest, 3000 euros is the fine you'd have to pay if you use any college title illegally.

polydigm - 7-11-2015 at 13:00

That's outrageous! That almost makes the scum we have in power here currently look not so bad, but there is plenty of that type of hypocrisy here.

Your general area of Europe including Holland, Denmark, Sweden and so on used to be considered fairly enlightened compared to the rest of the Western world. What happened?

Will you be able to go back and finish your studies at some point? Are you still inclined to do so?

The attitude here, in spite of the current right wing dominance, is that if you wanted to return to study it would be preferable to finish a course rather than be on the dole.

BBP - 7-11-2015 at 14:18

Right-wings in power on all counts. Right-wings usually get the power when the economy grows troublesome.

I'd love to finish college.

polydigm - 8-11-2015 at 13:24

Quote: Originally posted by BBP  
Right-wings usually get the power when the economy grows troublesome.
Aside from being totally ironic it's insult to injury.

I hope things get better for you at some point Bonny.

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