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The beauty of music
Well, I guess it's the fact that everyone is different. Music can't be 'crap' it's just a different type. It's only 'crap' in someone's opinion, maybe
not in yours and I think that's great!
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It's only crap in your opinion though!
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Yes I love them.
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I always struggle with the difference between objectivity and subjectivity when it comes to music. I KNOW that Debussy's "Prélude à l'après-midi d'un
faune" is more valid than The Pussycat Dolls' "Don't Cha", but how do you explain that to people?
In a two-hour improvised stream of conciousness in my last year of high school I rattled off about 15 pages of a method of objectively classifying and
critiquing any music, all of which I don't remember and never got back.
In my own personal case, I seem to be gifted with an internal "lame-o-meter" that goes nuts when it detects lameness. I don't really know how to
define "lameness", but I have a very clear idea of what is and what is not lame. There are things I listen to and watch that make me extremely upset
because of their inherent lameness, enough that i MUST leave.
It generally comes from a subconscious recognition of any alternative non-musical aspects of anything that is classified as musical. It might be an
audio thing only, or it might be watching someone perform. Then, if there is, one has to decide if these aspects have a purpose OTHER than to make
money, or appeal to a certain audience for the purpose of exploiting some part of popular culture. If one can not find substantial alternative
reasons, then whatever or whoever it is you are listening to or watching is lame. All this usually happens subconsciously, and in some people it
doesn't happen at all.
Here is an  example that completely lacks any thoughtful objectivity:
The combination of scary masks and performing metal is lame. Slipknot wear scary masks and play metal. Slipknot is lame.
I don't know why scary masks are lame in that context, but I KNOW for sure that they are.
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I think it might have even been Frank who said something like ;
'people who are totally into disco music can appreciate the nuances and subtleties of it'
Probably the same with boy groups...
I like Johnny 'Guitar' Watsons' disco stuff...it's got balls...and intent
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I agree scallapino, but what I'm saying is that although it is lame music and it is generated by a bleached little prick from LA, it's still music and
people can still enjoy it. It's just great that there is music for everyone.
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it took me a long time to bear hiphop. couldn't stand it! nothing to hear, mama heart beat and sampled riffs and stoopid rap, no originality, no
individuality, I thought. Then I heard some things with samples I recognised and thought oh, I recognise that! and listened some more. then I could
recognise the subtlety and complexity that goes into layering then tried playing around with it and then using abrupt edits (like zappa) with some of
those hiphop kinds of ideas and actually grew to enjoy it as an artistic expression. I still prefer the trance end of that stuff and more than that
love genuine dub (king tubby, lee perry) more often than any hiphop. But still had to first see stuff I already enjoyed in it before I could get open
to the rest of it.
scallop, still think you might not see any value in spiteful boys in halloween get up?
hahha!
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scallopino
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Maybe it's because theý're spiteful. Maybe if they were more cheery we could work something out.
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