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Pappawas1975
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I agree.....I think there are very few Zappa fans that would rather play Francesco than say, Hot Rats or something.....
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From a technical point of view, I guess the new parts are actually played better than on the original (eg. on the vinyl Ruben, JCB clearly has trouble
holding a steady beat). It's just that 1980s style overdubs on a 60s record sound oddly anachronistic.
The first WOIIFTM cd with overdubs is even worse from that point of view, people didn't play slapped bass in the 1960s (until Larry Graham and Bootsy
Collins came along, that is).
I've always thought that FZ just removed the original drum and bass parts to piss off some of the original Mothers, who were sueing him for royalties
at the time. On the first Burnt Weeny Sandwich cd issue, FZ also removed JCB's and Don Preston's photos from the booklet, a petty thing to do IMO.
[Edited on 29-11-2005 by Puptent]
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Pappawas1975
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Would they be on points for the recordings though? We cant be sure, they couldve been paid outright for their services at the time of recording the
album.....Seeing as JCB and Roy didnt write any of the songs, its difficult to ascertain whetehr they would make money from the re-releases of records
they performed on....I would say they wouldnt be entitled to any monies....
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| Quote: | Originally posted by vivien_o_blivion
i have to disagree with this -i don't think it's lampooning the genre on the contrary,i think it's a genuine tribute to music that zappa genuinely
loved |
There's no doubt in my mind that Zappa did indeed love doo-wop. But it's clear from the lyrics (which Zappa himself describes as moronic) and the
constant references to popular doo-wop outfits of yesteryear that there are intended parody elements in Ruben.
| Quote: | Originally posted by vivien_o_blivion
i agree with the point about the vinyl-but what always strikes me as strange is that it was zappa's choice to do the remix |
Zappa did all sorts of mad (and maddening) things with albums when they were reissued on CD. Zappa didn't seem to like the original drum/bass
performances on Ruben (or WOIIFTM either), and thusly rerecorded them. While I don't particularly enjoy the overdubs, I accept Zappa's artistic
decision to include them. I cannot, however, defend the remixed and reconstructed elements of the songs. Ruben on CD is a completely different album
to Ruben on vinyl.
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Pappawas1975
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Its about time the ZFT released the original Ruben for us all to compare.....
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I can't wait for a true Ruben-re-release. What keeps them?
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Puptent
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I don't think the ZFT is going to tamper with an 'FZ approved master'. For whatever reason (lack of time?), he did re-release the original WOIIFTM but
not Ruben or Sleep Dirt.
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StudebakerHoch
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It's a music on the radio joke.
It's classic.
Maybe you had to be there in the time frame; it's just a s funny as some of the "Funnier" albums.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Gojira1975
Its about time the ZFT released the original Ruben for us all to compare..... |
It's about time the ZFT released anything.
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Pappawas1975
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Damn straight Isis.....
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BBP
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Ahoi!
Bumping another old thread just to get rid of the spam links...
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punknaynowned
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guess it might not help for me to go off the deep end raving about how much I LOVE this one. Didn't used to think much of it and now play it whenevr
I can. vinyl, casette, cd, whatever. They're all a bit different and definitely worthy of sing-alongs, for karaoke, in the car, waiting at the
dentist, scaring people at the grocery store, you name it 
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"You surely must be trying
To break this heart of mine
I thought you knew I loved you
And we'd share a love so fine
But later that night
(You threw a) padlock on my door
(You threw my) clothes out on the street
('Cause you) don't want my love no more
And I cryyyd
I-I-I cryyyd
I cried
(I cried)
My heart out
Cried
My heart out
Later that night "
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BBP
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Well sung!
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punknaynowned
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thanx Hey!
I played Cruisin at work today like 3 times in a row and people didn't want me to take it off!!!!
jelly roll gum drop got my eye on you
I didn't really sing much of it. sometimes the high falsetto backup parts that Roy would throw in. . .
hey now I'm gonna listen to what I have of the Mudd Club NY '80 show with that special club 'feel' for "Love Of My Life": it says here it's May 8,
1980
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BBP
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Take what off?
(picture naked Punky...  )
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punknaynowned
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you!
no I meant taking the cd off the player!
ha!
and
maybe you've sleep cleaning to get that mosquito off the wall . . .
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BBP
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Good one!
It's a mystery... I don't know how it got away... can't get rid of any other mosq stains...
Sorry about the bad joke... but you know...
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Ruben is not one of my favourite Zappa Albums, but I do like it. I'm listening to the vinyl right now for the first time in about 20 years. As far as
the overdubbing issue is concerned, one of the things I've always found interesting about Zappa's earlier albums, pre Chunga's but not counting Hot
Rats, was the eclectic production and adding in those bass and drum tracks just seemed in keeping with that to me and didn't spoil my enjoyment of
either Money or Ruben. I have another problem with the overdubbed Money, which is that the overall audio quality is not as good as the Ryko remaster.
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I love the original songs on Ruben. I don't like most of the reworkings of previous songs. I HATE Wackerman's drumming and the drum sounds. Chad is
usually one of my favourite drummers, but he nearly single-handedly destroyed this album. I think Frank could take some credit for his playing as
well...he would have controlled what went on. The bass parts don't annoy me as much.
I've never heard the overdubbed version of WOIIFTM.
I think Jelly Roll Gumdrop has some of the funniest lyrics ever written, almost as funny for me as 'The Air'.
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