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BBP
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Ooh, it's working now... not smoothly... but it works! Beware you'll have lost all your PMs.
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Batchain
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| Quote: | Originally posted by floss
| Quote: | floss! Where was all the "porn"? The stuff Isaac posted on one single thread? I really don't know what you're referring to, floss.
--Batchain |
I don't know about that - there were many posters, not just Isaac, and when doing a last 200 posts, you could bet there'd be arses, tits and all,
shoved in the air, quoted and re-quoted so several had to be scrolled through. There were a few threads I had to skip altogether in order to miss
them - random photos, AAAFNRAA or whatever it's called and the pointless and insulting Don't look at this thread. I asked nicely if they could be put
behind a link but that seemed to generate a spate of pics as I knew it would but I couldn't help asking - it was a last hope for staying on the forum
and such a small thing to ask.
I just can't understand why people have to post these - why not just surf for your own to look at and not display them for people annoyed or upset by
them to see.
I live in hope that one day someone will be dismayed to see one posted for all to see and it will will be their daughter, missus or mum - it wouldn't
be so funny then would it.
I can't believe that many girls are happy with this coarse behaviour, they just don't want to make a stand and be unpopular.
I'm not a prude - I'm a Zappa fan - I just don't like being reduced to decoration which is what these pictures do to ALL women, not just those sluts
prepared to open their legs for complete strangers to wank over.
Well, I suppose I'll have to stop coming here now as well as that'll be the cue for a deluge of smut.
[Edited on 3-4-2006 by floss] |
Well, I've never understood how people find themselves personally
reduced to anything in any way by something they themselves perceive by some metaphorical means -- it's just simply not a reality. If you
somehow feel debased by what you call "smut" then you've got over 100,000 years of it hanging around in every culture that has ever existed. I'm sorry
to hear that you react that way, you've never given voice to that sentiment in the Zappa-dot-com forum so I'm surprized to hear it from you here and
now.
I'm only going to caution you not to make any generalization on behalf of others in which you conclude that they must be silently enduring some
hardship in order not to be "unpopular" with no other possible explanation other than your own. That would be grossly unfair and would have to be
verified on a per-person basis and not based solely on your projection of some given universal that all in any alleged class must, by
definition, share your personal sentiment.
Your only other option would be to take that up directly with an administrator and ask if they would agree with you on the creation of some forum
restriction you might wish to propose. Anything else would be absurd.
I'm sorry to see you leave based on the principles you just stated but you have to do what you are most comfortable with and use your own judgment.
--Batchain
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Batchain
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DED
There are so many sites with free porn today, it is totally beep to post them in a zappa forum. But I think the forum is hacked or something. They
tried to do it here, That's why we do not send you a welcome email or a thanks email when you write in the guestbook. Members who try to blow up the
forum are deleted or banned. We check every day the last postings. We are Dutch and used to a lot of things, but there is a place and a time for
everything and this happens to be a Frank Zappa Fan Site and that's what it is.
Altough we not must forget that the modern world is influenced a lot by the porn industry. Philips invented the video 2000 system but did not bring
out any porn. The reason that VHS became world standard is hat they did. There is a lot of money in this industry and they are willing to spend it on
innovation. In their struggle for customers they try almost everything and a lot of it is not appreciated.
Think of spam mail and think of teletext services of commercial stations in Holland if you asked for the index page you always read something like
"willing wives page 489" 24 hours a day 7 days in a week. To avoid that people with page memory zapping around the service they degreased the speed of
the service, so it take some time to load. The enormous amount of it last years has made me immune to it.
But this forum stays clean as long as Bonny wants to.
[Edited on 3-4-2006 by DED] |
I'd happily swap all the fucking obnoxious spam I get swamped with for
any variety of porn I might get saddled with.
--Batchain 
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Batchain
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BBP
| Quote: | Originally posted by Puptent
What's taking so long? I'm suffering from withdrawal syndrome.. 
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Me too. I don't know what to do anymore. |
It's getting to be unnerving to see "closed for maintenance, will
be back soon" -- there's always that sneaking suspicion that it just won't ever be!
--Batchain
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Batchain
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No, but I'm sure going to look for it, that's for sure. 
--Bat
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polydigm
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Well, the Official Zappa Forum is definitely back with lot's of teething problems. But it had to change, the software was pretty archaic compared to
what is now available. I think the admin there are to be congratulated that they are trying to recover as much of the old stuff as possible. They were
between a rock and a hard place, they couldn't just keep on using the old system, that would probably eventually lead to another major crash which
would be much worse than what's happening now. The main thing is that the lines of communication are open again and I'm looking forward to the
wrinkles eventually being ironed out.
Anyway, I still intend to keep visiting this place, it's been a pleasant alternative so far.
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Batchain
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| Quote: | Originally posted by polydigm
Well, the Official Zappa Forum is definitely back with lot's of teething problems. But it had to change, the software was pretty archaic compared to
what is now available. I think the admin there are to be congratulated that they are trying to recover as much of the old stuff as possible. They were
between a rock and a hard place, they couldn't just keep on using the old system, that would probably eventually lead to another major crash which
would be much worse than what's happening now. The main thing is that the lines of communication are open again and I'm looking forward to the
wrinkles eventually being ironed out.
Anyway, I still intend to keep visiting this place, it's been a pleasant alternative so far. |
Well! I was
thinking more than two days, polydigm. But it's still lumbering to its feet and not past its potty training phase?
Well, fantastic! At least it didn't just shit the bed after misleading everyone into believing it was coming back when it wasn't. (That was just my
cynical worry.)
But let us NOT abandon the 'Goose! Split up some time! It served us well while there was no FZ Forum so it's proved itself.)
See you 'round the world, poly!
--Batchain
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aquagoat
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BBP
Hey, did anyone see the "click here to see what the Forum looks like" page?
Isn't it about the ugliest thing you've ever seen? |
Yeah, it reminds me of another forum with the same look that I also find ugly.
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BBP
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What, this one? At least here you can still get a different look, plus I can still use my own avatar for photos. Right now, at Zappa.com, it's mainly
getting used to all the buttons being in a different place. And to being called Comecrawlingback.
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floss
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| Quote: | | Quote: | I can't believe that many girls are happy with this coarse behaviour, they just don't want to make a stand and be unpopular.
I'm not a prude - I'm a Zappa fan - I just don't like being reduced to decoration which is what these pictures do to ALL women, not just those sluts
prepared to open their legs for complete strangers to wank over. |
Well, I've never understood how people find themselves personally reduced to anything in any way by something they themselves
perceive by some metaphorical means -- it's just simply not a reality. If you somehow feel debased by what you call "smut" then you've got over
100,000 years of it hanging around in every culture that has ever existed. I'm sorry to hear that you react that way, you've never given voice to that
sentiment in the Zappa-dot-com forum so I'm surprized to hear it from you here and now.
I'm only going to caution you not to make any generalization on behalf of others in which you conclude that they must be silently enduring some
hardship in order not to be "unpopular" with no other possible explanation other than your own. That would be grossly unfair and would have to be
verified on a per-person basis and not based solely on your projection of some given universal that all in any alleged class must, by
definition, share your personal sentiment.
Your only other option would be to take that up directly with an administrator and ask if they would agree with you on the creation of some forum
restriction you might wish to propose. Anything else would be absurd.
I'm sorry to see you leave based on the principles you just stated but you have to do what you are most comfortable with and use your own judgment.
--Batchain |
I believe I HAVE voiced an opinion on my sadness at the way some forumers at Zappa.com think it's fine to treat or talk about their own partners or
other women. I always got put down, as expected, as some sort of killjoy. I don't really care about that. I just think that if I wanted to see porn
then I would buy it or surf for it myself - rather than being insulted and angry each time I see it staring me in the face at the village shop or the
local newsagent or when I scroll through recent posts on a forum. OK, maybe I am in the minority - I wouldn't know - but I did say in my post that
I couldn't believe that women found it acceptable and that they must just not complain as it would make them unpopular. I truly
believe that. I have grown up in the UK with naked women on page 3 of the newspapers every day and even when I was younger I thought it was
horrible. The women were commented on, torn apart or drooled over, depending on the viewers, and the pictures and their accompanying text, to me,
always made the women out to be ever-ready and up for anything. I have been assaulted in the street in broad daylight by a neighbour acquaintance who
completely out of the blue squeezed one of my breasts in the high street, a group of 3 teenagers set about groping up my skirt one afternoon on my way
home from work. Even a "friend" of my parents thought it was funny to pull down a top I was wearing at a party at my parents' home and expose my
breasts to several other guests. I put these horrible encounters down to the fact that women are so often portrayed as playthings and many men cannot
separate those on show from those who prefer to share their bodies only with those of their own choosing. These encounters all took place in the 70s,
before the internet which brought a deluge of porn to the mailbox, and the current "lads mags" (not considered porn, and regularly advertised on TV)
showing naked women pressing their bodies together and pretending to be lesbians on the front covers. Before magazines advertised sex chatlines and a
choice of naked women wallpapers for your mobile (cell) phones. Before satellite TV brought commercial breaks showing not much other than naked women
on channels not at all associated with sex programming. It's everywhere. One newspaper in the UK now seems to specialise in pointing
cameras up girls' skirts in an attempt to get near-gynaecological pictures on its FRONT PAGE and commenting on their current stage (or not) of hair
removal! Several of them have naked women on the front cover as a matter of course - there's a war on (or a peace being worked on if you listen to our
governments) and their front pages consist of naked women in provocative poses! Maybe you don't get that in the US but I am heartily sick of it, all
spread out over the counter at the station kiost where kids are buying comics and sweets on their way to school. I just think that once upon a time
porn was something that people looked at at home or in a cinema with other like-minded people and porn stars were never confused with other women.
Now it's got so mainstream that business deals are conducted in lap-dancing clubs and it's tough if the businesswomen don't like it - they
have no choice.
That's my experience in the UK. A sea of sleaze. Drunken people having sex with strangers in the street, sex meaning so little to them these days. I
may be wrong but I put it all down to those 1970s beginnings, when it became acceptable to put naked women in the newspapers purely for decoration.
People are quick enough to denounce paedophiles but to me a waxed and siliconed woman looks like a child with tits. It's acceptable, indeed
fashionable, to show off your bra but apparently UNacceptable to show any line UNDER your clothing which indicates that you are wearing knickers! It's
OK for the ACTUAL underwear to be showing above the skirt or trousers though! So, fashion dictates that your pubic area looks like a child's, you look
like you're not wearing knickers even if you are and you push up your tits (or more likely artificially inflate them) so all in all you look like
something out of a "lads' mag". That's exactly how you will get treated. Unfortunately, so will the rest of us. (Note: I don't mean YOU in that
sentence.)
We had the discussion on smoking and although smokers rightly think that they should be able to do what they like with their own life, it has been
established that it affects others' lives too and those other people have a right to clean air and the smokers should keep the smoke to themselves. I
think the same about the pictures. If people want to look at them, and people want to make money by displaying their bodies instead of working for a
living, just don't display it in my face. No-one's telling them to stop doing it - just stop foisting it on people who didn't ask for it. That's
all. I don't expect any forum to change its rules - I just left when I'd had more than enough. I may dip in again from time to time. You may be
comfortable with it but it seriously makes me feel like a worthless piece of shit and that I can do without on a daily basis. We are all different and
will have different reactions, but people NOT annoyed or upset will have no reason to complain and those that ARE annoyed or upset usually don't
either as they get put down. Everything just gets coarser and coarser.
That aside, poo pictures, arsehole avatar (too revolting for words), Trendy - all totally avoidable if I don't go there (as long as they don't come
here.) I live in hope. 
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DED
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A lot of people need a whole lot of words to express themselves. With the posting of a picture of any kind you say more then all these words in a
instant. Remembering the time that I was temp. teamleader in crisis team of data typists. (All female). The things that are discussed openly then were
things I really didn't believe it was on he mind of woman.
The above posting is, and that's my pinion strictly personal and not representing a gender. As a guy I can enjoy the beauty of a fine shaped female.
But I know that it takes more than 2 days, over 1600 pictures and a staff of 20 people to get the centerpage of Playboy. Mostly ot a girl anymore,
just a living robot. And I understand that it is hard working.
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aquagoat
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BBP
What, this one? At least here you can still get a different look, plus I can still use my own avatar for photos. Right now, at Zappa.com, it's mainly
getting used to all the buttons being in a different place. And to being called Comecrawlingback. |
No bonny, don't get mad at me , I'm talking about this:http://www.questfortheholytone.com/
Your site is OK BBP or should I say Comecrawlingback. 
[Edited on 4-4-2006 by aquabot]
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BBP
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Oh Ok! Just got worried there.
I'm a member of http://www.prawnsong.com/bullboard/ of which the most interesting thread is the sing-song "1,000,000 bottles of beer on the wall".
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scallopino
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Heyyy, it's back. My new name on the ZF is Von Scallop XIII. It's pretty square, like our shadow minister for foreign affairs:
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Batchain
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Are you upset? Possibly you were far too much an etherial entity to have been cursed by being born in a thing so crude, grotesque and vile as a human
body. Well, you do live in hope -- however many times you've suffered the tortures of experiencing the unwashed vulgar masses dashing it.
Commendably, you've braved it, and, even exposed yourself to its excesses of your own accord, while being made to feel even so much more like a lowly
turd!
You've done so nobly enduring the zappa.com forum, may you fare better here! If it again becomes too horrifying you may always redouble your
fortitude with another social tractatus.
--Batchain
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BBP
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Yep... Of course you could ask the admin to change your name, which I might be doing. Plus I'll have to make a new avatar.
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aquagoat
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BBP
Oh Ok! Just got worried there.
I'm a member of http://www.prawnsong.com/bullboard/ of which the most interesting thread is the sing-song "1,000,000 bottles of beer on the wall".
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Very interesteing thread indeed.
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floss
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Batchain
Are you upset? Possibly you were far too much an etherial entity to have been cursed by being born in a thing so crude, grotesque and vile as a human
body. Well, you do live in hope -- however many times you've suffered the tortures of experiencing the unwashed vulgar masses dashing it.
Commendably, you've braved it, and, even exposed yourself to its excesses of your own accord, while being made to feel even so much more like a lowly
turd!
You've done so nobly enduring the zappa.com forum, may you fare better here! If it again becomes too horrifying you may always redouble your
fortitude with another social tractatus.
--Batchain |
I never said the human body was crude, grotesque and vile - your words - I just don't like the display of it in a sexually provocative manner to
people who have not sought it out.
I personally find it inexplicable why women are happy to be displayed in that manner and I don't want it thrust in my face. I don't see anything
wrong with that sentiment. I'm sorry my long-winded post caused you to became sarcastic - I was only trying to get the reasons for my feelings on the
subject fully explained in one go so you could hopefully understand it from another's point of view. I believe this would be the honest view
of the majority of women but they don't make it known. That's just my opinion and you are, of course, welcome to disagree. Maybe EVERY woman on the
planet except me - yes even Barbara Bush - is just dying to get their kit off and shove their arse in the air for your entertainment. Now you've made
me go all sarcastic!
DED said about a centrefold picture that it ceased to be a girl - and to that I say ... PRECISELY! It's reduced to an object.
I don't want to go on arguing about it - maybe no-one DOES agree with me but if they do, I'd rather someone who stood up and said I don't like it than
one who just put up with it rather than complain.
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Batchain
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| Quote: | Originally posted by floss
| Quote: | Originally posted by Batchain
Are you upset? Possibly you were far too much an etherial entity to have been cursed by being born in a thing so crude, grotesque and vile as a human
body. Well, you do live in hope -- however many times you've suffered the tortures of experiencing the unwashed vulgar masses dashing it.
Commendably, you've braved it, and, even exposed yourself to its excesses of your own accord, while being made to feel even so much more like a lowly
turd!
You've done so nobly enduring the zappa.com forum, may you fare better here! If it again becomes too horrifying you may always redouble your
fortitude with another social tractatus.
--Batchain |
I never said the human body was crude, grotesque and vile - your words - I just don't like the display of it in a sexually provocative manner to
people who have not sought it out.
I personally find it inexplicable why women are happy to be displayed in that manner and I don't want it thrust in my face. I don't see anything
wrong with that sentiment. I'm sorry my long-winded post caused you to became sarcastic - I was only trying to get the reasons for my feelings on the
subject fully explained in one go so you could hopefully understand it from another's point of view. I believe this would be the honest view
of the majority of women but they don't make it known. That's just my opinion and you are, of course, welcome to disagree. Maybe EVERY woman on the
planet except me - yes even Barbara Bush - is just dying to get their kit off and shove their arse in the air for your entertainment. Now you've made
me go all sarcastic!
DED said about a centrefold picture that it ceased to be a girl - and to that I say ... PRECISELY! It's reduced to an object.
I don't want to go on arguing about it - maybe no-one DOES agree with me but if they do, I'd rather someone who stood up and said I don't like it than
one who just put up with it rather than complain. |
I refuse to take seriously anyone who is drawn to
something they only find "offensive" and continuously repeat the same blather and empty cant because I've seen and heard this irrational behavior too
much and too often to be serious about it. It is never any different wherever and whenever it shows up and only grows more tiresomely obnoxious the
longer it is repeated.
In my last post was I was intentionally ironic and mocking and I can't believe that there were many imbecilic enough to have missed that fact --
possibly you were or simply feigned that you were.
Typically it is as simple as it is predictable: Someone is immensely pissed off, offended and enraged -- but the only thing truly unbearable
to them is not to be pissed off, offended and enraged.
You've more than amply demonstrated that you dovetail neatly with that description. The fun is in the ride not in reaching the
destination.
--Batchain
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| Quote: | | Originally posted by floss: Go see post above 4/4/06 at 1:25 PM (GMT) |
I agree with every point you have made Floss. The comparison with passive smoking is a good one. People bang on about freedom but it's not that
simple. My actions in the world will affect other people, so my freedom is a compromise against the freedom of others and vice versa.
[Edited on 4/4/06 by polydigm]
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