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In Kansas City, When Dweezil was bantering with Terry, after I'm So Cute, as T moved back to get in his ridiculous drumset.
As he was moving out to behind his drums, and Dweezil trailed off, I distinctly remember seeing and hearing Napoloeon, watching Terry, say simply
"Austin, Texas'. I don't exactly know what Nappy refers to here, but it makes me laugh.
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Nice! When was that?
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Ah, good old days... It's been one year today since Amsterdam... still no sign of the boys coming back...
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Here's one much less fun story on ZPZ... I am seriously rethinking my Dweezil Zappa fanhood. I'm posting this here, because the only other places
where I know it's been posted, are the Zappa forum and The Unmoderated. Latter is restricted (needs an invitation in order to read) and it will be
removed from the former.
It was written by Andre Cholmondeley, band leader of Project/Object, who was a member of Zappa.com forum until he got banned. I'm waiting to hear the
other side of the Zap corner.
| Quote: | > hello Friends....
>
> Sorry -- this became kind of a long letter, but it helped me exorcise some real negative shit. It took me two hours.
>
> I was working for ADRIAN BELEW, opening for ZPZ at Ottawa Bluesfest, Canada (Sat 5 July 2008)
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> Stuff turned REAL ugly.....
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> Basically---- one of Dweezil Zappa's guys, under his direct orders - threatened, pushed and physically attacked me.... !
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> For the horrible act of walking onto the stage to watch and enjoy the show. Really.
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> I should consider legal action actually..it was ...real ugly. real scary. I was shaking like a leaf... They have sued me many times, tried to at
least. Should I return the favor? I ask your advice -- should I seek legal action?? I have countless witnesses, I was at work in a professional
capacity. Canada law on this is actually quite bad news for someone who would want to work here again....I could cripple the Zappa family financially,
real bad news since they are losing their shirts trying to do these tours, pay cuts, playing smaller and smaller venues etc isn't helping from what I
hear.
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> Their Monitor guy, Dave, almost shoved me off the stage, a 10 to 15ft drop, so scary. Scenes of "broken leg in London Orchestra pit" may dance
through your head......
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> These people actually had a MEETING on THE BUS...Tour Manager, Dweezil, crew, etc. Wrap your mind around the level off dysfunction -- to have a
fucking MEETING about a guy you hate --- a guy who has never really done anything but piss you off for some reason. Imagine being so unprofessional --
and self-important -- to think that a HUGE festival, should do your bidding and ban people from public areas. I know - Unreal. - But -- par for the
course in Post-Mortem Zappa-land. No surprise. Bullying at every turn.
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> After a meeting on the bus --Dweezil then demanded from the Festival stage manager (ONE HOUR before their show!!) that I would NOT BE SEEN by him
(Dweezil).....!! he asked that he NOT SEE ME AT ALL, EVER, throughout the night. I can't wait to see when he delivers to the shocked people at TODAY's
festival the same pompous request.
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> The incredible, pro stage mgr guy, Wiggy, from the Ottawa Bluesfest, ensured cooler heads prevailed all night. I hope we work together again.
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> Ok, Now, this is a GIANT festival with about 230 bands...11 days.... we are on a fucking SIDE STAGE -- and Dweezil DEMANDS of the festival staff-
ONE HOUR BEFORE HIS SHOW - to KEEP ME OFF THE STAGE (even the side stage, monitor area, backstage, etc!!) and make sure he (DWEEZIL) NEVER SEE ME!!!!
Can you even wrap your mind around that??? he wanted to CONTROL the attendance - at a public event he is getting paid to be at - of someone he is
soooo pissed at. Unreal.
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> The (very cool) stage manager , when I asked him -- said " Dude - no, I have NO PROBLEM with you going into the AUDIENCE and watching them, front
row, whatever. I just have to respect these guys and ask you to stay off the stage. I wanna run a smooth show - I am here for 11 days, I have no time
for issues"
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> As you all know-- I'm a fucking PRO, and I of course honored the request -- I stayed off stage. But this is after FINDING OUT for the first
time....with the prick monitor guy SCREAMING IN MY FACE AT THE TOP OF HIS LUNGS -- SPITTING IN MY GODDAMN FACE...and pushing me backwards to the
edge.... it was terrifying and I've seen a lot of dark shit in this life, trust me on that.
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> It was unreal. Surreal. The best part is -- before ZPZ played - BELEW played--- and I had met this very same guy - Dave - monitor guy -- and he
was COOL!! We were rapping, talking gear, he showed me a pic on his computer of his guitar-rig..which featured the same amp that Adrian uses (Johnson
JM 150), like good nerds we chuckled about that as well as his computer gadget his laptop sat on...some device with 2 fans to cool it off, blah blah
blah. We talked about him being new on the crew, after I said "Napoleon says hi" --"oh no -- that was the old guy, I am new since last year, etc
etc"....We talked all kinds of stuff -- later he claimed "Well I thought you were just acting like nothing was going on". Wow.
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> So-- SAME GUY turn into a RAGING PSYCHO 2 hrs later!!!! He literally almost pushed me off the stage and down some steps. It was scary shit. I
can't emphazise that enough. I am shaking still, almost 12 hrs later as i type this after 4 hrs sleep.
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> I'm not easily shaken, you know that. But I drive 5 hrs today -- to another fest where ZPZ again plays right after us --- and I dunno how it will
turn out. I went to the monitor guy after the show and said "Dude, do you have something to say to me"??
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> He copped TONS of attitude, but I actually got him to begrudgingly apologize, I accepted it, kinda, since he claimed he had been TOLD by up to 6
people that I was FULLY INFORMED of my "persona non grata" status. Well- I wasn't informed. The FIRST TIME I knew about ANY of this crap was when he
violently accosted me!!
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> I think I will call the next P/O tour by that title. --- PERSONA NON GRATA. how do you like it??
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> I feel extra let down that I wasn't warned, wasn't told. Joe Travers, the bass player Pete and other crew/band members said hi, some shook my
hand, we rapped. I - as I always try to -- will give the benefit of the doubt that each person thought "Oh - I thought Someone ELSE told him". I feel
sorry for these people -- including my hero Thomas Nordegg -- thee greatest guitar tech in the Solar System, who I had a lovely time hanging with all
afternoon before I loaded in.
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> I feel sorry that they are all caught between the horrible pressure of being told to DISS ME as part of their job....and knowing me for years and
knowing who and what I really am. Terrible - to put people in that position. But that's how tyrants operate. Pitting people against each other. It's
worked for centuries. Check the history books.
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> OK. whatever. But does the 'adult' monitor guy need to have dealt with it that way??? Screaming at the TOP of his lungs, spitting his filthy
fucking spit in my face, pushing me backwards in shock?? Later he even justified the screaming (!!) --- "hey my in-ear monitors were on". Yeah right.
Any pro engineer knows how loud they are talking!! Ridiculous. Dude has major issues and I will make sure I deal with him today with lost of witnesses
around.
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> Thank You,
> André
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> Now -- I'm not gloating here but.......I'm The guy who, Unlike Dweezil Zappa, has shared the stage with more Zappa alumni and family than almost
ANYONE BUT FRANK ZAPPA ..people like Ike Willis, Napoleon Murphy Brock, Candy Zappa, Ed Mann, Roy Estrada, Mike Keneally, Adrian Belew, Denny Walley,
Don Preston, Bunk Gardner, Bob Harris, Thana Harris, Jimmy Carl Black, Billy Mundi, Ray White, Al Malkin, Arthur Barrow, Bruce Bickford and more.
Actually only someone like the amazing Ed Mann, Ike Willis, Scott Thunes or Chad Wackerman has been onstage with more people -- due to their LONG
tenure in the band (over 21 years for Ed and about 7-10 years for Chad/Scott/Ike)
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> I'm not gloating. It's called PRIDE. I am proud I have dedicated a part of my musical life, just one part -- to paying back to a man who changed
my life - Frank Zappa. An amazing, genius man I was lucky enough to shake hands with several times, look in his eyes from 3 feet away, tell him a joke
or two, walk up to at a concert and give a funny sign to (feb 1988 , wash DC) that made him laugh his ass off (cherished memory!! Making Zappa
laugh!!! C'mon - can it get better??!!!)
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> A man who asked on his deathbed for people, musicians or not - to PLAY HIS MUSIC!! Frank asked for that -- I have always tried to honor that
request. I am PROUD of engineering a SOLD OUT show at Irving Plaza, Halloween 2001, raising TEN GRAND for Prostate Cancer research (a show that owes
much credit to my great management team at CEG Music in NYC and the great Matt Ross, now CEO of Paul Green School of Rock). I am PROUD of getting many
, many alumni out of RETIREMENT and back onstage. I am PROUD of paying my way, losing money to go all the way to my beloved Germany, to play music and
hang out with THOUSANDS of Freaks...at the Zappanale festival -now being SUED by Gail Zappa as well.
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> I'm proud of my work in this area. No one can or will ever take that away from me. Frank Zappa changed my WORLD at age 16.....and I am very very
proud to have had the chance to meet most of his players, to call them all my friends to this day. I am proud to have his original family members as
cherished friends. I say this not to impress anyone but to add perspective. No one reading this is unaware of the dark energy that has emanated from
Zappa central in recent years. It's a thing of real concern.
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> PS: This is the core of what pisses them off. They have BURNT EVERY BRIDGE with most of the Zappa alumni and family -- and they hate themselves
for it. They know they've BLOWN IT and insulted Frank's Legacy. They know they can NEVER turn back -- can never celebrate his deep kinship with so, so
many people.
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> They know that Musicians they have sued, dissed in the press, not paid, ignored as they stood in the audience at ZPZ shows...won't take that crap
and will not ever work with them. I have kept silent about THAT part of things for YEARS...but being physically threatened by Dweezil's crew CROSSES A
LINE that I can never go back over. Sorry, Dweezil. You should have thought about your actions. Right now they are in court with the ZAPPANALE...they
have sent cease and desist letters to Bogus Pomp and other bands, they keep going after the Grandmothers...suing TV stations....it doesn't end with me
-- and that's how I sleep at night -- IT'S NOT JUST ME!!!
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> As peaceful as a person as I am----I cannot sit by with this crap - It's been OVER TEN YEARS of attacks, insulting emails from Gail, LAWSUIT
THREATS, threats to some alumni who play with us, falsified, libelous letters from ASCAP/, and watching the SAME happen to many friends and colleagues
WORLDWIDE. It's scary, downright scary. The "Zappa" "Family" feels it can just go around suing, attacking, and trying to squash the truth -- but
reality and truth have a way of bubbling up.
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> Why has EVERY SINGLE LAWSUIT filed against me by Gail Zappa been thrown out ?? Why did i win in NY State Court AGAINST Gail Zappa and ASCAP?
because their claims are baseless. My band stays within acceptable US and international law where applicable -- performing the music of a composer in
certified venues. End of Story.
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> I write this to all of you -- in case some dark shit goes down today (Sun, 6 July 2008) at the 2nd festival, in Quebec City QC. I will go there -
do my job -- and stay out of the way. I haven't decided yet if I will watch the music --some of my favorite music ever -- from the audience, up front,
as I deserve. But we'll see.
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> My boss--my amazing friend actually -- Mr. Adrian Belew -- has not decided if he will perform on one song today with them. I can;'t speak for him
but he is upset -- and feels caught between some painful stuff. Again-- the method of pitting people against each other is in play.
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> I Urged Adrian to do whatever he feels is right -- and to forget about this (I know- impossible). But he knows that I will not at all be upset if
he gets onstage with them, well, with Dweezil. You know why?? Because from BEGINNING TO END -- I have always been about one goddamned thing - FRANK
and HIS MUSIC...and about YOU -- the fans and alumni! that's all!!! Every last one of you on here, many who have celebrated Frank's amazing music with
me and my band....KNOW THAT. And I thank you again -- and hope we meet again in music.
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> I also thank, deeply, a blood relative of Frank's who will remain nameless -- who related to me 2 days ago, before all this - in email an old
saying:
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> "They .....will get you sick before you get them well."
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> (this person added the words........)
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> "I urge you to protect your beautiful mind from the psychic poison, of which there is a never ending supply."
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> Great stuff. This made my day. I am trying to do that, my friend. I am trying real hard. You got me through yesterday in many ways and your words
will echo all day as I deal with another encounter with this dysfunctional camp.
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> This letter is public domain. Spread It to others if you feel the need. Post it on forums. Delete it if you don't care. But ponder it as another
chapter in this crazy, post-mortem, mis-handling of Frank's legacy. Horrible.
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> PS -Believe it or not --- when I heard about us opening for ZPZ -- after getting over the shock and apprehension, I decided that if I saw
Dweezil, I would walk up to him and say "hey man... I know there's lots of water under the bridge..but it's GREAT what you have done and are
doing...and just fantastic how you have celebrated your dad's music - Thank You."
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> Ike Willis, Napoleon Murphy Brock and others are my witness on that, I told them of my intent over a month ago. I was taking the high road -- I
greeted every single one of Dweezil's crew with honor and respect -- I genuinely loved meeting the ones I didn't know -- I stayed and watched their
show (missing most of Steely Dan, ouch!!) - even after all the crap. I watched, invisibly, from the backstage grounds near stage left. I kept myself
unseen. I honored the festival stage manager's requests - great guy. I'm about the music and I want you to know that always. But this crap can't be
allowed.
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> Help me-- should I be suing them?? Should I walk away and just keep living my life at as high a spiritual level as I can manage?? Don't worry --
will go into today's encounter peacefully -- a very , very difficult day lies ahead.
>
> Yours,
> André Cholmondeley
> Tour Manager/Guitar Tech - Adrian Belew Power Trio
> Founder/Guitarist/Grey Hairs - PROJECT/OBJECT - the longest running, internationally touring Zappa repertoire band. Actually Respecting the
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what you said this morning BBP over at the zforum was spot on!
carry on
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 Gosh... There's so much slime from the Zappa-fans from either camp...
gotta pick the middle of the road, smooth out all the edges... Hope the ZFT comes with some explanation...
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For accuracy reasons, here's Dweezil's reply:
| Quote: | Soap Opera: AKA Lengthy Blog about stupid stuff...
Hello Friends,
I recently read an amusing tale about an incident that supposedly took place stage side during one of our shows. The author of this highly exaggerated
tale is André Cholmondeley. He would like you to believe he was physically attacked. More on that later...
Perhaps it is his dream come true that I would take a moment of my time to write a few sentences that publicly address him. It's a one shot deal -
You're welcome.
Here you go...
Dateline - Los Angeles California:
The following are actual private e-mails between me and Adrian Belew. (I apologize to Adrian in advance if this causes him any aggravation.)
I would not normally be inclined to use private information in this way but it perfectly illustrates the details of the "non event" that follows.
Dweezil Zappa writes to Adrian Belew - (e-mail addresses have been removed.)
On June 20, 2008, at 1:42 am, dweezil wrote:
Hello Adrian,
I hope this e-mail finds you doing well. I have noticed that you will be playing before us at 2 upcoming shows. I would like to extend an invitation
to you to sit in with us if you like during our set. We are playing "Tiny Lites" and "Flakes" either of those 2 songs could make for a good surprise
cameo.
Please let me know if you would be interested.
Regards, DZ
On June 30, 2008 12:04 pm, Adrian wrote:
dweezil,
please excuse my late reply.
I've always had a secret desire to show up for a concert with no guitar and no cases full of gear, just a harmonica in my back pocket.
so...
my idea of a cool cameo would be to come out in the middle of flakes harmonica in hand, sing the sad bob dylan part, and exit stage right, hopefully
to applause.
what do you think?
cheers,
adrian
ps: I greatly admire and respect what you are doing for your father's legacy.
no one deserves it more than he and I've heard you do it exceptionally well.
After this first electronic exchange I was informed that Adrian was employing André Cholmondeley as his guitar tech. André's propensity for spreading
misinformation and negativity has earned him a reputation. A reputation for being obnoxious and creating conflicts.
Since those personality traits hold no appeal for me I decided to write back to Adrian with a request.
On June 30, 2008, at 11:43 pm, dweezil wrote:
Hello Adrian,
Nice to hear from you. Your idea sounds fun and easy.
I think people will appreciate it. They may even decide to clap a little bit... It happens sometimes.
We usually play Flakes midway through the show. I can say, "Take it away Bob or Adrian" whichever you prefer and you can enter to Ray's microphone.
Just let us know day of show if you're up for it and we'll do it.
On a different topic - perhaps an awkward one - I have been informed that you are working with Andre from Project Object. He is likely your friend as
well as your employee so you may not enjoy what is to follow.
Whether you are aware of it or not he has instigated a lot of unpleasant things on our website forum and has made many transgressions musical and
otherwise regarding Frank over the years. It would be my preference that he politely remove himself from my view before, during and after our set. For
me
the phrase persona non grata is applicable in this case.
I can understand if you feel awkward relaying this and I can even understand if you choose not to accept my invitation to join us on stage as a
result.
The fact of the matter is he knows what he has done and it should come as no surprise that I wouldn't appreciate him being anywhere near me now or in
the future.
I apologize for having to bring this to your attention.
I thank both of you for your consideration and cooperation on this matter in advance.
Regards, DZ
A politely worded simple request. Here's Adrian's response.
On July 1, 2008, at 9:05 am, Adrian wrote:
dweezil,
please introduce me any way you like.
what key is flakes?
I'll bring the appropriate harmonica.
it's true andre works for me now.
I will make certain he is persona non grata as best I can.
as I told gail, I try always to honor frank, his memory, and his music. he remains a towering inspiration to me. I loved him too, and I could never
repay him for what he did for me.
I take responsibility for my own actions, never for the actions of others.
I've have heard bits of the rhetoric surrounding project object (after the fact) but remain apart from it all.
should you or your family have any problem with anything I might ever do, please let me know.
see you onstage.
cheers,
adrian
That was July 1st. Whether or not Adrian decided to convey my request to Andre I do not know for sure. But it is safe to assume by his e-mail that he
had every intention of doing so.
It is also clear by his e-mail that he is aware of the existing circumstances that could warrant such a request.
Dateline - Ottawa July 5th:
Showtime for Zappa Plays Zappa. Dave Tobias is mixing our in ear monitor mix and is dealing with a keyboard that has lost phantom power. Andre
saunters up and tries to make himself at home in Dave's work area. Why would he attempt to do this? Surely he has been told that it would be polite to
stay away by his friend and employer Adrian Belew. One must ask, "Why not go enjoy the show from the audience or anywhere else... just be polite and
respect a simple request?" Besides, who willingly wants to be in a place where they know they are not welcome?
Dave stops Andre and relays the message that he is not supposed to be there. No touching, pushing or spitting occurred. Loud talking happened, that's
it. There was a concert going on and Dave had in ear monitors in his ears. At no point was anyone instructed to be rude to Andre in fact just the
opposite is true. Andre even mentioned in his own blog about how nice everyone was earlier in the day. He even mentioned Dave Tobias. Everyone
believed that Andre knew about the request and was willing to co-operate and watch the show from a different vantage point later on.
Apparently Adrian must not have made it clear to him that he was not welcome in the stage area. Or maybe he did and Andre decided to ignore the
request? In any case, Dave Tobias was a little surprised to see Andre in his work area given all of the back story. He most likely assumed Andre was
informed of the request to politely be elsewhere and that he was just trying to be obnoxious again - which is why I originally requested he politely
remove himself in the first place.
That's end of the story. Probable miscommunication from Employer to employee. End result stupid drama.
The show the next night had no incident whatsoever. Andre still temerariously snuck himself to the side of the stage though. It's just his way. He
can't help himself.
Contrary to his report where claims he locked eyes with me at some point during the show, I'm here to tell you that it never took place. He'd know if
I locked eyes with him. "What an imagination"
Here's a paragraph dedicated solely to Andre. To me, if you really have respect for my Father and his music you have an asinine way of showing it. By
repeatedly insulting Frank's family and ignoring copyright laws related to his music you have proven the exact opposite of respect. Your obsequious
fawning over "alumni" and your precious associations you have with them are embarrassingly shallow. Your attempts to draw attention to yourself as
some sort of soldier fighting the good fight for Frank's music reveal what you really are - a depressing epigone starving for recognition.
One last thing, for me to care at all about what you say or do would mean that I have some sort of respect for you or your opinion.
Sadly, I have neither.
End of 15 minutes...
Regards, DZ
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Between the ZFT's questionable business practices and their sue-happy party line on FZ tributes, I'm inclined to side with Andre over Dweezil in this
instance.
To be perfectly honest, I don't trust either of 'em any further than I can throw 'em but from everything I've read on the Zappa.com forum and heard
from other reliable sources (her being one of 'em), this whole thing reeks of yet another power play by the haves against the have-nots to me.
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I hope Dweezil gets over himself. It seems touring has made him crazy. He was so nice in '06 in Brussels and Amsterdam, I can't believe he turned into
shithole. (though to be fair, 2 years ago he also said some highly snobbish remarks in interviews, but this is his BLOG, he has final authority...)
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Andre has a tendency to use hyperbolic language in describing things. He also won't back down.
Dweezil apparently simply will not deal with him at all. His choice, though I think is a poor one and though I don't know what ''he knows what he's
done'' means. In othre words,
Andre has done something specific that pissed off the family and I don't think it's merely running/being P/O. It may have to do with souring relations
between old mothers and the zappa family. I don't know this for sure and I think most of those members who have an axe to grind would not if there
were some form of contact. But there obviously is not.
Some can't heal old wounds. JCB and Don Preston, still pissed and so are many others. Like Gail. and she sure doesn't seem to be able to heal old
wounds or even try to address them with an eye toward reconciliation.
The ego presentation thing is also obviously not dweeezil's style or he would show a better face in this. He tries to show himself above the fray and
be professional and doesn't succeed to those who know a bit of the story. But probably will for the most people who read it.
But I think even if we've been reading Andre's side of the story over the last several years, we only know half of it, and that in a biased
presentation. So we know what Andre wants us to know and not what he doesn't want us to know.
On the other hand, To my knowledge this is the first time a memeber of the zft has come out and said anything on the topic. The interview of Dweezil
a few years ago about cover bands is non-specific enough to easily fit the age-old name-trashing tactics of bands that compete with each other:
country to rock to funk to hip-hop and rap. They like to tear each other down and say I'm the best. It's part of the game. So this being the first
time D has leveled an attack against Andre (verbally, written, I don't hold any credence to Andre's encounter with Dave the sound guy), it comes off
as mean and arbitrary with it's own history that Dweezil conveniently shows himself as above. When the high road would be to actually talk to the
guy.
Because of this Persona Non Grata story things are likely to get worse.
Conjecture:
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Conjecture: ... And then?
It's upsetting to me that Dweezil is so nasty, compared to Andre's mildness. But you're right, we have no reason to believe either one of them, so
unless there are witnesses of the occasion there's not much to discuss.
PS it's its history. With apostrophy, it's means "it is" or "it has". Without apostrophe, its means "belonging to it".
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I will only comment on what I know to be true. It's very difficult for any of us outside this thing to know the real truth. One thing we do know is
that Dweezil has openly admitted he sent those emails to Adrian Belew so I can quite comfortably express an opinion about them. They suck!! How dare
he write an email to a fellow participant at a music festival and make demands about the behaviour of a third person?
I believe Andre should not sue Dweezil or whoever but what he should do is get some legal advice about what Dweezil demanded, I'm pretty sure you
can't go around making demands like that, and also about the other issues between them, and then maybe he could make some kind of statement without
the emotion that clarifies his position for all to see. I think Andre should really try and calm down a bit. It's very hard to take someone seriously
when they're losing the plot, and calling out to Dweezil and confronting him in public like that is not helping his case.
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polydigm
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I've just thought a little more about Dweezil's comments and I have to say the part aimed directly at Andre really stinks. How does Dweezil know how
deep Andre's association is with alumni that are alienated from the Zappa family? And how nasty to demean his association in that way? And what do
these copyright transgressions amount to that he's talking about? Are they anything that has been clearly established in a court? I think Dweezil
should put up or shut up on the legal ramifications associated with artists covering Zappa's music.
[Edited on 10/7/2008 by polydigm]
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punknaynowned
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BBP
PS it's its history. With apostrophy, it's means "it is" or "it has". Without apostrophe, its means "belonging to it". |
you got me. sorry for the confusion.
habit overcame sense.
your english is pretty dang tight there, missy (:
I was conjecturing that when gail dies . . .
but who knows, all bets are off.
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scallopino
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I really know nothing about all of this. But the thing that struck me as most surprising and offensive about Dweezil was that he gave an order for
Andre not to be seen by him. And then Dweezil's emails prove that he actually did give that ridiculous order. Maybe Andre then went and made himself
visible in protest of the ridiculousness of it.
I'm wondering where Napoleon stands in all this. Doesn't he play with P/O AND ZPZ?
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BBP
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Andre has reacted onto the Unmoderated forum. I could post that here as well.
He could sue Dave-the-monitor-guy, and he should, as by the sound of it there may have been mistreating. But I just can't see what he could sue
Dweezil for, maybe offending or libel. But I don't think suing Dweezil would even work.
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