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You'd better try and save it then, since DED has had the idea of putting another Dutch film favourite in the theatre (thus pulling this one), and at
any rate I'm not comfortable with this structure.
The other Dutch film is hard to get, and it's on my favourite movie list.
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found this today
http://icbs.berkeley.edu/natural_theory_lt.php
Several studies trying to find the ways that neurons and synapses in the brain give rise to thought and action.
came to that via an article by George Lakoff. New to me.
I'll watch another movie I haven't seen!
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What gets me is this bullshit some psychologists are coming up with that supposedly proves we have no free will. That thing with neurones firing in
the subconscious prior to the conscious impulse to do something. So what? We get unconscious input all the time and process many things
subconsciously. This just tells me that their assumptions about what constitutes a conscious choice and how it is manifested in the human brain are
faulty in the first place.
I mean, you can see the irony as well can't you? By their own argument their experiments to determine the nature of free will are not the result of
free will, so why are they doing it?
Anyway, just as one example, the fact that we agonise over some decisions for weeks on end before making a final choice cannot be broken down into a
single observable train of thought, so just how well are these experiments designed? The fact that we may be processing data subconsciously doesn't
prove we don't have free will. When I studied maths at university, with some of the more complex problems, I often awoke at three in the morning with
a solution, but this didn't happen to me unless I had decided to try and solve the problem in the first place.
Their philosophical conclusions based on where certain thoughts are triggered prove nothing about free will in my opinion and one day I will find a
way to articulate a proper counter argument. They are failing to see the woods for the trees. Each impulse they analyse is just a "tree" but there are
a whole wood full of trees involved in the decision making process. It's like saying a protein can be understood just by knowing the individual
properties of atoms of Carbon, Hydrogen, Nitrogen, Oxygen and so on.
Blah, blah, blah ....
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Happy birthday Polydigm!
You should talk to my sister, Poly: whe is a philosopher and intended to get her PhD with a thesis on free will. There may be free will, but only
about 5% or so.
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Yes happy birthday.....
And talking with my daughter, it is better to wait until tommorrow. Today is party time and not a day for a heavy discussion with our Sas.
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happy birthday Poly! hope it was a good one.
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clapclapclapclap -- woohoo!!!
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Thanks everyone. Talking about free will, we went to see The Adjustment Bureau last night for my birthday, with just my immediate family, wife and two
sons. My daughter's grown up and moved to the UK. The film touched on a few dodgy points but overall I thought it was pretty good, quite entertaining
and enjoyed by all. Tonight we're all having dinner at my Mum's place with my brother coming as well. We're getting take away from a very good
restaurant called Buddha's Kitchen. They do very, very tasty and good quality Thai food.
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heard an interview with some of the makers of that Adjustment Bureau today on the radio. He said those of the bureau were not angels or gov men but
'agents of fate'. As far as the story goes, Would you agree Poly?
Sounds like you had a good birthday.
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Went to the carnaval parade. Will tell you about it later, because I'm on the wrong computer to upload photos, and I am totally freezing, spent 4
hours outside under-dressed.
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http://www.studio040.nl/fotos/fotobekijken/134/Page-1
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It's been two days and I'm still in pain. Yesterday was a bit rough: Dad and I went to a flea market, but it was so crowded it was way too much for
me.
Anyway we did strike gold: an old lady was selling an old Donald Duck collection at 5 euros per complete year, which is very low for early 70s. I also
found 3 CD-i's.
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Quote: Originally posted by BBP  | It's been two days and I'm still in pain. Yesterday was a bit rough: Dad and I went to a flea market, but it was so crowded it was way too much for
me.
Anyway we did strike gold: an old lady was selling an old Donald Duck collection at 5 euros per complete year, which is very low for early 70s. I also
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what's wrong? what did you do?
btw I want to get everyone - family, friends - to enroll here and watch Fanfare ... it cheered me right up, so I assume it would do the same for
anyone
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 Glad you like Fanfare!
I went to the Carnaval parade and stood outside for hours in short dress, stockings and high heels. I was tired, cold and had sore feet.
I just made a page with all my photos:
http://bonny.ploeg.ws/carnaval2011.html
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I don't want want to say too much about The Adjustment Bureau yet to give people a chance to see it. And the point that was made about angels versus
agents of fate - it's actually a lot more complicated than that, but I will vent forth on it later, once people are happy I'm not spoiling the film
for them.
[Edited on 7-3-11 by polydigm]
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Fell for the first April Fools gag of the year. 
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That Carnaval parade looks like fun. It's very colorful.
The parades we have in my town have some guys in suits, the horribly out of tune high school marching band, a truckload of Boy Scouts and a bunch of
baton twirling girls who don't know the meaning of synchronization.
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Well, my four week teaching contract is going okay. I'm coming up to the end of the the third week. The majority of kids there are not impressed by
school or teachers so it's quite a challenge to find something appropriate for them.
Bonny, you can't tell us you fell for a gag and then not tell us what it was. And besides, it only the 10th of March.
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Well, out here they start their april fool's gags early, February is no exception.
Second, it was such good news I was all excited going to bed, then I woke up and discovered it was probably a prank, but now it doesn't look ike a
prank anymore. So I might not have been fooled. But if you must know, there's been a hint towards a new Gabriel Knight game.
...Then again, it wouldn't be the first time this year I got excited over the Dutch proverbial dead sparrow, see Primus.
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I'd not heard of that before but I might have checked it out if there was a Mac version, but apparently not. I notice they use Tim Curry. Aren't you a
fan of his?
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