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BBP
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Been outside today. It's COLD!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2XyR8aanc0
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punknaynowned
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FYI, there's a lot of *pre*-historic evidence showing matriarchies were dominant or that women held greater degrees of power in tribal societies. But
that's archaeological evidence. Think Venus de Milo, even stonehenge ...
but african and south american and asian cultures even today have strong females as leaders and having specific leadership roles.
There are traces of such dominance in ancient egypt, phoenicia and up to today as jews trace their genealogy thru the mother. You're not considered
biologically jewish unless your mom and her mom were jewish/ Converts are not counted as biological, just converts. If your dad's jewish and mother
some other ancestry, you're not born a jew though you can convert.
You're right bonny, greek and roman women were very much like slaves but so were the majority of people in their society, regardless of any rights
they would eventually be allowed. Sparta had a different attitude but 2/3 of their population were kept as slaves - helots, the workforce, the army
had no rights except in the hierarchy. There are a couple examples in the greek history of strong women but they were courtesans/artists and as such
very much or very likely 'kept women'.
Of course, you know there is much speculation as to the Lilith character in the early part of genesis in the bible and what she may have represented
... and why she was supplanted. But it was a decided move into strict patriarchy and the story we have is all there is left.
Another example that feeds the speculation that previous to the story *being written down* there may have been more tolerance in matri-centric
attitudes in prehistoric jewish culture.
The truth is that only in the last couple centuries have women been allowed and taken the opportunity to get education and tirelessly work their way
into the male dominated world.
I say power to them. When women have more input into solving the problems of the world, we all benefit. Excluding them from the discussion is stupid
and discounts half the population. When women can claim the power of their voice without the males shutting her down or trying to, the whole world
benefits. Current case in point, Myanmar. Another, women in africa running org's that distribute mosquito netting, or teach reproductive education,
or reading. The benefits are incalculable.
But also, there is a big cautionary tale here. Margaret Thatcher, Hillary Clinton, Condi Rice, Christiane Legard are all strong females with a huge
track record. BUT, they had to take on the attitudes, modes of expression and tactics of their male counterparts to succeed. Their example, as a
result, seems to show that women have to limit their feminine side and push masculine traits in order to make it. But as women move in and take over
in the ways they do, men will gradually be more and more responsive and accepting. It'll just take a long time.
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Like I said on the other forum, the differences are over played. I'd be quite happy living in a world where women were totally equal and no-one gave
it another thought. In Plook's case, maybe it is genetic, but not in the way he thinks.
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BBP
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Nah, education. No genes.
Went over to the giveaway store, when I had walked there they had a sign on the door: "closed due to cold". They have no gas or electricity, the only
power they have comes from solar panels. It's used for one small heater they have that's not making a lot of difference. So I understand it. But I
wish I'd known.
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Had heavy snowfall today, lasted at least 4 hours. Swept the pavement and attempted to build a snowman, but the snow is too powdered.
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Lovely weather here, not too hot. Played squash today for the first time since my surgery and it went well.
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It snowed a bit tonight, will perhaps snow again today and tomorrow, we'll see.
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BBP
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We had the coldest night in 24 years. -22.9 C.
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punknaynowned
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rain all day yesterday but quit by sunset.
cooler today, we might reach 8C
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BBP
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Still cold. We now officially have a cold wave, the first one since 1997. The frost is on this pumpkin.
[Edited on 5-2-12 by BBP]
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polydigm
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We're in the middle of a cool, wet change here. La Nina is still in force. I don't mind it at all, I'm not a summer junky. Our air conditioner died
towards the end of 2010 and we haven't replaced it yet. Last summer (Xmas down here) was also a La Nina year (all that flooding in Queensland and
ridiculously expensive bananas) plus we spent five weeks in Europe in the middle of it, mostly at around 0° C, so over all, we got by fairly easily
without a cooler. We've had a few days this summer that were a bit tough, but again, mostly got by without a cooler. I guess we'll finally give in,
but at least our budget hasn't been too taxed in the mean time.
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BBP
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Had an e-mail from Unica why he's not on the Z-forum anymore.  I don't think
he's coming back.
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Calvin
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I'm sure that upsets some people.
Hi there.
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polydigm
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Ask him to sign up here. I don't get why he couldn't at least say why. I appreciated his efforts at zappa.com and it upsets me somewhat that he
couldn't say why.
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BBP
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I invited him today.
Thing is, I get along great with almost anybody who doesn't give me any reason to hate them. It's weird if people you have respect for are having a
feud in your face, like Spacebro and Baddy, but it's even odder if you have it behind your back and are confronted with it all of a sudden.
Fortunately there's no-one at war of the few regulars we have here.
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polydigm
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Unica is Paul Berkholst, right? He's removed himself from Dweezil Zappa World as well.
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BBP
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 Goodness... whatever it is, it got him hard.
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I'm almost shure that BBP does'nt like this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22iGupTZJyQ
My Bonny is pissed
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Calvin
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For something that supposed to be playfully idiotic, it's actually really idiotic.
Hi there.
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BBP
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