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[*] posted on 24-10-2015 at 13:35


Get to work project? Production work?



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[*] posted on 24-10-2015 at 17:13


Is my English that bad? Sorry.
Had to apply for unemployment benefits, and under current Dutch legislation this means you have to do some work in exchange - meaning you have to work for about half minimum wage.
Some municipalities, like Eindhoven, refuse to do that (other cities are less friendly. One sad case was of a street sweeper in The Hague who was fired over budget cuts, ended up getting dole and was forced to go to work through the municipality - as a street sweeper. Of course these are the people who don't have the money to sue.)
In Eindhoven you end up in a 3-month traject where you have to work a bit (2 days a week, initially factory-ish work like packing but after 3 weeks you'll get something that suits you more) and get classes 1 day a week. In the mean time there's a team of ten job hunters getting those jobs that you don't see on recruitment sites.
Considerig 60% of the people who enroll find a job before the traject is over, they're doing pretty well.




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[*] posted on 25-10-2015 at 00:31


There is no problem with your English, I wasn't implying there might be. The problem is with context. You're talking about things that occur in Holland that I don't know about, that's all. I had some idea what you meant as those things sounded familiar to the unemployment situation in Australia and one of my sons had been on the dole for a while recently. But, as you hadn't mentioned that you were on the dole, I didn't want to jump to any conclusions.

Work for the dole is a morally bankrupt concept. The street sweeper example you gave highlights this perfectly. What we should be doing is finding a way to get everyone working for fair pay. This will never happen as long as we put up with the Western World being run by the super rich and letting them continue to shamelessly avoid their social responsibilities in the name of some bankrupt concept of so called freedom.

Anyway,pigs might fly.

On the topic of English, what is a traject? I assume it's the Dutch literally for route or section?




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[*] posted on 25-10-2015 at 07:54


In Dutch we can use the word traject for that, but also for a non-physical route.



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[*] posted on 25-10-2015 at 08:55


I hope it'll work well for you BB.:)



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[*] posted on 25-10-2015 at 22:54


I hope so too...

At least next week I don't have to work there - I got a temporary job at the book fair.

Today I went to my favourite theme park with four friends. It was beyond awesome! The weather was great, the new ride was amazing, and since my ticket was a present and for thetrip I could ride along for free, and because I found a 10 euro note - I actually made a profit.




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[*] posted on 27-10-2015 at 01:05


Excellent. Nothing like a perfect day to shake out the cobwebs.

You still haven't told me what the use of the word traject means in the context of your unemployment program. We don't use that word in English at all. There is the word trajectory, when you're talking about the path of projectiles and so on. Less often it's used to mean the path someone's career might take or the progress of a plan or some such.




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[*] posted on 27-10-2015 at 07:42


A path in the non-literal way.



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[*] posted on 2-11-2015 at 03:55


My current trajectory is headlong into two exams. I'm just working my way through past papers hoping to build up some match fitness.



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[*] posted on 2-11-2015 at 18:17


Mine was working today. I'm exhausted.



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[*] posted on 3-11-2015 at 12:46


First day off in quite some time, and I'm feeling it! Oh boy.



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[*] posted on 3-11-2015 at 17:56


Bad day today, eye hurts...



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[*] posted on 3-11-2015 at 22:54


Hang in there Bonny.

Have you ever considered becoming a teacher? Weren't you studying music at university? How did that end up?




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[*] posted on 4-11-2015 at 07:51


Yes, yes, nasty since I had to quit over finances and bad government.



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[*] posted on 5-11-2015 at 19:26


And today I managed to knock something into my left eye. OUCH.
Vision is now difficult on either side. I hope the damage on the left is not permanent - at least it still sees better than the one on the right.




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[*] posted on 6-11-2015 at 13:56


You're in the wars at the moment, I hope things sort themselves out soon.

We have a fee scheme here where you repay university fees as an extra tax but only while you earn over a certain level of income. What was your difficulty with the government there?




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[*] posted on 6-11-2015 at 18:24


In 2010, the horrible right-wing government was formed of the Christian middle party, the right-wing business men party, and the ultra-right-wing-foreigner-hating populist party. Officially only the first two, but they got support from the third party. They disbanded explosively in 2012.
This government created a fine where you had to pay an additional 3000 euros on top of the 1500 tuition money if you took too long with your studies, as in: more than 4 years. Since our prime minister (at the time and current) studied for 7 years and many other major politicians took more than 4 years AND got much more college subsidies because of the major cut in the early 1990s - this was considered hypocritical and awful, and a deterrent. The law was repealed as soon as it was possible - the same year, and everybody who paid the fine eventually got it back - but I didn't have the funds to pay for tuition at the start of the year.

As a point of interest, 3000 euros is the fine you'd have to pay if you use any college title illegally.




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[*] posted on 7-11-2015 at 13:00


That's outrageous! That almost makes the scum we have in power here currently look not so bad, but there is plenty of that type of hypocrisy here.

Your general area of Europe including Holland, Denmark, Sweden and so on used to be considered fairly enlightened compared to the rest of the Western world. What happened?

Will you be able to go back and finish your studies at some point? Are you still inclined to do so?

The attitude here, in spite of the current right wing dominance, is that if you wanted to return to study it would be preferable to finish a course rather than be on the dole.




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[*] posted on 7-11-2015 at 14:18


Right-wings in power on all counts. Right-wings usually get the power when the economy grows troublesome.

I'd love to finish college.




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[*] posted on 8-11-2015 at 13:24


Quote: Originally posted by BBP  
Right-wings usually get the power when the economy grows troublesome.
Aside from being totally ironic it's insult to injury.

I hope things get better for you at some point Bonny.




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