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[*] posted on 13-10-2005 at 09:29
JOHN ZORN


Seeing as vivien started a Patton thread, I feel it is my duty to start a Zorn thread! Any you guys into his work? I rank him as total musical genius along with Zappa, Miles Davis and Merzbow....Not a stone unturned. If this gets a reply Ill bore you with my recommendations, cos Im a nerd like that....



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[*] posted on 15-10-2005 at 16:28


I like John Zorn, I've got naked city...he also made an album full of coleman covers which sounds intresting.
He also produced mr.bungle:biggrin:




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[*] posted on 15-10-2005 at 21:08


The Coleman tribute ( "Spy vs Spy" ) is great. He "Zornised" the tunes, so they are super fast and manic, as was his whim at that time. All Naked City albums I recommend too, amazing players. Shit, Ive set myself up now, cos I recommend all his eras! Check my radio show out for regular Zorn doses TONIGH 10pm, and every Saturday at http://www.icrfm.co.uk Sorry about the shameless self promotion.....



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[*] posted on 3-11-2005 at 00:42


I saw Zorn in concert a couple of times, once with Painkiller, a Naked City reunion with Mike Patton and both Acoustic and Electric Masada. Great shows.

On record, I guess I like Masada and stuff from the Filmworks series the best, although there's still tons of JZ records I haven't heard yet. 'The Circle Maker' and 'Bar Kokhba' albums are also favorites :)

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[*] posted on 3-11-2005 at 12:18


You are very lucky to have seen a Naked city show with Patton! My only live Zorn experiences have been Masada Quartet ( twice ), Bar Kokhba Sextet, Masada String Trio and Painkiller with Frith, Laswell and Lombardo.....You are right too, there is too much of his music out there to keep up with it all!!!



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[*] posted on 17-11-2005 at 15:02


I haven't really listened to Zorn, but I did see him rehearsing a piece on an improvisation doco series...I think the piece was called 'Cobra' from memory

I thought Adrian Belew might've been one of the musicians in that...it was a piece where Zorn held up cards and members improvised when pointed at

I didn't think it was that great...a bit too random..but I'm sure Zorn's got some awesome stuff

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[*] posted on 17-11-2005 at 17:47


too many!! yeah, Cobra is one of his game pieces, and can be a little hard to listen to.....As for his more structured stuff, any of his chamber works are good, and also anything from his Filmworks series too......



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[*] posted on 17-11-2005 at 17:52


Thanks Gojira...I'll check out his chamber works..
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[*] posted on 17-11-2005 at 18:08


Id recommend Rituals, Angelus Novus, Magick....His classical stuff isnt too far from Zappas classical music .....



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[*] posted on 23-5-2006 at 18:49


I'm about to become a Zorn fan... Naked City is great!



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[*] posted on 24-5-2006 at 09:09


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I'm about to become a Zorn fan... Naked City is great!

Glad you liked it BB! I thought you would.....All the NC albums are great, although, apart from the one you got, the rest are all only available on Japanese import, or at least they were, and have now all been deleted and are only available on this -

Naked City : The Complete Studio Recordings




Probably Zorn's most popular and most controversial musical project, the music of Naked City has been debated, analyzed, adored and reviled by fans, critics and academics alike, but nothing can replace the experience of hearing it in all its frightening glory. Most people know this music from the single domestic release on Nonesuch, but the major portion of their studio recordings were issued from 1989 - 1993 on the hard to find Japanese labels Avant and Toy's Factory. This long awaited set pulls together all of their recorded output - seven studio albums ( including five released only in Japan ) - on 5 CDs in beautiful new packaging, with a special 100 page scrapbook of Naked City ephemera, including photos, posters, designs, scores, musical sketches, written tributes by members of the Naked City family and pages from Zorn's original notebooks showing the development of the music that drove so many people out of their minds. Zorn's music at its most brutal and uncompromising best.

Definitely worth getting though, but it is expensive, and if order online because the damn things so heavy alot of places sting you with postage and handling charges on top....




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[*] posted on 24-5-2006 at 12:44


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I'm about to become a Zorn fan... Naked City is great!

Glad you liked it BB! I thought you would.....All the NC albums are great, although, apart from the one you got, the rest are all only available on Japanese import, or at least they were, and have now all been deleted and are only available on this -

Naked City : The Complete Studio Recordings




Probably Zorn's most popular and most controversial musical project, the music of Naked City has been debated, analyzed, adored and reviled by fans, critics and academics alike, but nothing can replace the experience of hearing it in all its frightening glory. Most people know this music from the single domestic release on Nonesuch, but the major portion of their studio recordings were issued from 1989 - 1993 on the hard to find Japanese labels Avant and Toy's Factory. This long awaited set pulls together all of their recorded output - seven studio albums ( including five released only in Japan ) - on 5 CDs in beautiful new packaging, with a special 100 page scrapbook of Naked City ephemera, including photos, posters, designs, scores, musical sketches, written tributes by members of the Naked City family and pages from Zorn's original notebooks showing the development of the music that drove so many people out of their minds. Zorn's music at its most brutal and uncompromising best.

Definitely worth getting though, but it is expensive, and if order online because the damn things so heavy alot of places sting you with postage and handling charges on top....


I wanted to buy that box a while ago but you're right, it's expensive.




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[*] posted on 25-5-2006 at 10:02


It is man. I was fortunate enough to get the NC albums when they were only available on Japanese import also, even then they were pricey, obviously due to the import prices...and hard to find also....



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[*] posted on 25-5-2006 at 13:44


Anyone notice some person miscredited the James Bond Theme on that album I got? The theme was written by Monty Norman and is credited to John Barry.



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[*] posted on 25-5-2006 at 15:45


I always thought it was John Barry?



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[*] posted on 25-5-2006 at 16:11


Nope, Barry orchestrated it into its best-known version, but it was actually written by Monty Norman.
Originally, the theme had lyrics and was supposed to be sung. Last year, Norman announced plans to release the theme with vocals. What would that sound like?




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[*] posted on 25-5-2006 at 19:03


Yeah you're right Bonny, it's wrongly credited to John Barry though Norman wrote the theme.



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[*] posted on 25-5-2006 at 19:59


Understandable though... Barry has claimed on a number of occasions he wrote it... most recently in 2001... Norman has sued him over it a number of times.



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[*] posted on 3-9-2006 at 12:10


Zorn is always highly recommended and I've never heard anything but some of the game series, Lacrosse, Chess etc. couldn't get my ears wrapped around it. I thought I could like anything being a zappa and beefheart head. but I was wrong.
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[*] posted on 3-9-2006 at 21:55


Understandable... First thing I heard of Zorn was in jazz class... I can look up what it was exactly. It was best described as noise. And since my teacher had the annoying habit of playing the music very loud, plus I was usually sitting in front, I didn't know whether it was my ears or my brains hurting.



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