I don't want to clog up Bonny's article translations, so I thought a separate thread to discuss them might be useful.

Quote: Originally posted by BBP

16-07-71 NVHN Mr FZ, better known as the father of MOI, has an argument with record company MGM. The company recently released a double album by the Mothers that many fans may be happy with, but not Zappa. He had condemned the songs for the record. He also felt that they don't fit in the musical image of the group anymore. An official "white" album {illegal, like black market: since LPs are black the adjective is white} The case has been taken to court.

So what's this about?

Thank you! I forgot to lock.
Also there's no new translations for today: was quite busy.

What exactly this refers to, I'm not 100% sure. There have been several Mothers compilations back in the day: in the Provinciale Zeeuwse Courant there's even talk of a Mother's Day themed Mothers box with pink bows. If I was Zappa I'd complain about that.

The MGM comp The ***** of the Mothers was released in europe in mid 1970, had a gatefold sleeve but only one record. Looks like a double, with only one disc. I know of no double disc mothers comp from MGM. Frank didn't like it. He was already on to other things.

maybe inhere?
http://lukpac.org/~handmade/patio/weirdo/unreleased.html#fil...

DED, it would have to predate the fillmore stuff, because MGM wouldn't have any of those tapes, Zappa had already left them by that stage. That's the really annoying thing with the MGM compilations, that they only had a handful of albums to use for compilations and made so many of them. It's one of the craziest things I've seen done by a record company.

Compilations (sorted by alphabet):

2 Originals Of The Mothers Of Invention GER REPRISE REP 64024 1975 S 2LP FOC / contains the LPs BWS and WRMF
2 Originals Of The Mothers Of Invention NL REPRISE REP 64024 1975 S 2LP FOC / contains the LPs BWS and WRMF

Dolf Hartmann Präsentiert Die Frank Zappa Story GER VERVE 2304 161 1974 S LP Black Labels / FOC / contains parts of FO!, AF, WOIIFTM and M;

Double Dynamite (2 Originals of Frank Zappa) RSA REPRISE RRD 11707 1975? S 2LP Contains the LPs "HR" and "CR" / 1970? / Yellow banner on cover / Long label-credits
Double Dynamite (2 Originals of Frank Zappa) RSA REPRISE RRD 11707 1975? S 2LP Contains the LPs "HR" and "CR" / 1970? / No Yellow banner on cover / Short label-credits

Frank Zappa And The Mothers (ECI) NL S.R. International 20.24.99 1971 S LP Side 1 = Side 2 of CR, Side 2 = Side 1 of UM / Matrix has 030871

FZ and The MOI (?) NL REPRISE D 116/0 1972 S 2LP Dutch Book Club Pressing / Contains the LPs HR and BWS
FZ and The MOI "Boek En Plaat" NL REPRISE D 116/0 1976 S LP Dutch Book Club Pressing / 500 copies? / contains parts of HR and BWS / Matrix has 030976

FZ y The MOI MEX KARUSSELL 12022 / 2345018 1972 S LP Distributed by Polydor / "Freak Out!-cover" / cont. Songs from FO!, AF, WOIIFTM and CWR&TJ

Mother's Day GER METRO 2626 002 1972 S LP FOC / Label has 2364003/004 / cont. parts of FO!, AF, WOIIFTM and CWR&TJ

Pop Giants Vol. 27 - The Mothers Of Invention GER Brunswick 2911 537 1976 S LP contains parts of FO!, AF, WOIIFTM and CWR&TJ / (1973?)

Pop History - FZ and The MOI / The Velvet Underground GER POLYDOR 2335 033/034 1972 S 2LP FOC / cont. parts of FO!, AF, and WOIIFTM / Disc 2 has Velvet Underground

Pop History Vol. 11 - FZ and The MOI ITA POLYDOR 2335 024/25 (2625012 S) 1972 S 2LP FOC / Cover has 2625 012 S / Label has 2335 024/25
Pop History Vol. 14 - FZ and The MOI ESP POLYDOR 2335 054/055 1975 S 2LP FOC / cont. parts of FO!, AF, WOIIFTM and CWR&TJ

Pregnant GER METRO 2356 049 1972 S LP White Label Promo / "Unverkäufliche Musterplatte sample copy-not for sale"
Pregnant GER METRO 2356 049 1972 S LP cont. parts of FO!, AF, WOIIFTM and CWR&TJ
Pregnant COL VERVE 2304 072 1972 S LP Blue Labels / back-cover has black & white front-cover artwork

Superstars Live GER WEA WEA 3-68008 (E) 1974 S 3LP triple-FOC / contains Side 2 of JABFLA

Superstarshine Vol. 13 - The Mothers Of Invention NL METRO 2356 090 1972 S LP cont. parts of FO!, AF, WOIIFTM (and probably CWR&TJ)
Superstarshine Vol. 26 - Frank Zappa NL METRO 2356 098 1975 S LP Black Labels / contains LG

The **** Of The Mothers USA VERVE V6-5074(X) 1969 S LP Yellow Label Promo - Disc Jockey Record / FOC / Promo-sticker on front-cover
The **** Of The Mothers USA VERVE V6-5074(X) 1969 S LP Blue Label / FOC / label-variation to the one below
The **** Of The Mothers USA VERVE V6/5074(X) 1969 S LP Blue Label / FOC / label-variation to the one above
The **** Of The Mothers GER VERVE 710022 1969 S LP Blue Label / FOC
The **** Of The Mothers ITA VERVE SGVL 51.036 1970 S LP Gold Label / FOC / Gold Spine / Matrix has 21. 7. 70 / Distributione Dischi Ricordi S.p. A.

The Mothers Of Invention - Golden Archive Series USA MGM GAS 112 1970 S LP Yellow Label Promo - Special Disc Jockey Record / Promo-sticker on back-cover
The Mothers Of Invention - Golden Archive Series USA MGM GAS 112 1970 S LP Blue/Gold Label

The Mothers Of Invention AUS METRO 2355 025 1973 S LP Unique Cover / same tracks as Golden Archive Series

The Worst Of The Mothers CAN MGM SE 4754 1971 S LP Yellow Label Promo - Special Disc Jockey Record / black & white back-cover
The Worst Of The Mothers CAN MGM SE 4754 1971 S LP Blue/Gold Label / black & white back-cover
The Worst Of The Mothers USA MGM SE 4754 1971 S LP White Label Promo / "DJ - Not For Sale" sticker on back cover
The Worst Of The Mothers USA MGM SE 4754 1971 S LP Blue/Gold Label / coloured back-cover / cont. parts of FO!, WOIIFTM and M
The Worst Of The Mothers FRA MGM 2353 026 GU 1971 S LP Blue/Gold Label / coloured back-cover / GU = Gravure Universelle

Transparency - FZ and The MOI UK VERVE Standard 2352 057 1975 S LP 1st Pr. / front cover has "Both tracks never released in U.K."
Transparency - FZ and The MOI UK VERVE Standard 2352 057 1975 S LP 2nd Pr. / w/Rock Flashbacks Sticker
Transparency - FZ and The MOI UK VERVE Special 2352 057 1975 S LP 3rd Pr. / contains parts of FO!, AF, WOIIFTM, LG and CWR&TJ
Transparency - FZ and The MOI UK VERVE Special 3112 001 1975 S CASS from back cover of UK Verve Special LP
Transparency - FZ and The MOI UK VERVE Special 3792 001 1975 S 8T from back cover of UK Verve Special LP
Transparency - FZ and The MOI FRA VERVE 2304 268 S LP mentioned by Harry de Swart

Underground GER POLYDOR 184190/91 1968? S 2LP Plastic People, Who Needs The Peace Corps, Concentration Moon, The Return Of The Son Of Monster Magnet
Underground ESP POLYDOR 184190/91 1969 S 2LP Plastic People, Who Needs The Peace Corps, Concentration Moon, The Return Of The Son Of Monster Magnet

Zappa Picks - By John Fishman of PHISH EU RYKO RCD 10584 2002 S CD Printed and manufactured in the EU.
Zappa Picks - By Larry LaLonde of PRIMUS EU RYKO RCD 10585 2002 S CD Printed and manufactured in the EU.

I never knew Frank had a stance on the 1st Gulf war or heard his opinion. Good to see.

And these all are most fab Bonny! It will take awhile to get thru them.
Much appreciated!

Ed, your link to the patio - the 'official bootleg' and the 2nd record of just another band from LA info -
eventually led me to these, which say they are part of a rare acetate of Carnegie Hall 11oct71
great instrumentals!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JL6XiTEkphk&
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=FPz3Ssa18oI

Punky: you'd better read Electric Don Quixote again, the original text is there.

"They're not going there to protect democracy, because Kuwait is not a democracy and neither is Saudi-Arabia. Both of these countries have very, very strict regimes, and to listen to speeches giving any other reason for this force in the Gulf other than protecting US oil interests is totally fake.

Quote: Originally posted by punknaynowned

Ed, your link to the patio - the 'official bootleg' and the 2nd record of just another band from LA info - eventually led me to these, which say they are part of a rare acetate of Carnegie Hall 11oct71 great instrumentals! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JL6XiTEkphk& http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=FPz3Ssa18oI

and this is stuff that's supposed to be on the new release this month...
how do I do it?

I guessed we would get a grand wazoo concert in the beginning of 2007 and wrote it down somewhere and then it happened. Of course, I blame myself. Wouldn't you? :bouncing:

Maybe it all has to do with "user requirement specifications"and is the trust reading and spelling our site in order to compile the contents of the new releases.

Power to the Punk, that is......