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There is definitely a rhythmic congruence there, but I
doubt it's what became Sleep Dirt.
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no, not just rhythm but notes, but only just the beginning. I went and looked it up at IINK.
These people think so too.
The bit on Don't Eat There sounds more like the beginning of this than the (properly mic'ed) studio version.
A couple years ago I started looking and finding these sorts of quotes but then somebody called out the dogs and they went crazy on it, making sure
every two or three notes of anything was recognized and annotated. So many things they found and looked up. I sure didn't have to. Testament to the
internet, I guess and a lotta great ears and knowledge. Lots of jazz heads are zappa freaks, for example. Wiki-Jawaka and IINK cross-referenced
themselves with the rest of the zappateers and there is so much info now in just a few short years.
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Quote: Originally posted by BBP  | Hmmm. I tend to relate it to Frank's anti-feminism stance which is displayed in extremis on Thing-Fish.
Granted, that one feminist subject I attended briefly was beyond stupid. |
I don't think Frank's anti-feminist, not even on Thing-Fish. Rhonda's a terrible feminist anyway. Most of the criticism in the whole thing is aimed
at the 'critical' audience and in particular, the protagonist, Harry. The overeducated shithead. Don't you think?
Central characters learn or do something in the course of a plot. Thing-Fish doesn't learn a thing, he's the narrator.
Harry learns that he's a gay overeducated shithead with a fondness for whatever it is he likes.
Rhonda is the real hero, I think of the story. She learns a lot and tells Harry she fucks her briefcase as a symbol, rather than him, because he
doesn't deserve it. She's happy to go off and find her own satisfaction without the shackles of her previous life holding her back. Meanwhile Harry is
a putz and succumbs to his own selfishness, seeing only shame in Rhonda's newfound liberation. She's the hero. and Harry and his choices are the
reason that she goes off with her briefcase and fountain pen.
Tonight it's Them Or Us
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Maybe it's Dale's horrible acting.
Anyway now that Dad knows what stuff I'm listening to... ehm...
Also played the 1st vinyl of Guitar yesterday, and YCDTOSA 5/2. I love Cleveland on it, but Tiny Lights is awful. Now I'm listening to MOI Ahead Of
Their Time.
How would you define Frank's accent? Really noticeable things about it is how he pronounces own ("ohn") and how he pronounces his "eye" with extra
accent on the last part of the sound. On Yellow Shark you can hear him talk about "fayyyyn" musicians.
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Thing-Fish *is* a messed up story by anybody's measure. Frank delighted in messing with people's boundaries, on purpose. Goes with the territory.
Not what I was wanting to do. But even beyond the music, he went to extremes in subject matter to get people's attention, make them laugh and I think
maybe think a little.
Frank doesn't really have an accent I'd say. But sarcastic, especially on record. He does 'voices' to an extent. Not like an impersonator but for
emphasis. He tries to elicit a response. Inflection conveys so much. Why dutch, german, chinese, japanese is intimidating to me.
The Perfect Stranger
LSO 1
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Today: Ahead Of Their Time, Playground Psychotics (on now: Shoop shoop!), Guitar, and later tonight YCDTOSA CD 6 vol 2. I'll have to play CD1 on my
computer because it's too scratched.
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So right, it's Friday already and this has seemed a long week but lots got done despite the 'seasonal' cheers,,,
tonight (my thursday) listened to
Baby Snakes - I never listen to this on it's own as I'd rather put on the dvd
The Man From Utopia - still a favorite. I like to play Cocaine Decisions at parties, and the Tink/Radio/We Are Not Alone sequence is
something I've put on loop, coupled with all the rehearsals of that sort of thing (aka Eleven, Thirteen) and played that over and over, good times;
and Luigi and the wise guys? Come on! Gorgeous Folk Music! hahahaha
Ship Arriving Too Late To Save A Drowning Witch I ome From Nowhere, No Not Now
You Are What You Is - best I Don't Want To Get Drafted, especially the outro; If Only She Woulda is a perennial favorite, fits nice
in a vase with cut flowers, a polka for the suburbs;
Return of ... Shut Up ... Some More - much renewed appreciation of often overlooked gems here, like Why Johnny Can't Read, Canarsie,
Pink Napkins, While You Were Out
later this friday morn I'll get to Tinseltown Rebellion
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So yesterday I did YCDTOSA 6 disk 1, and Trance-Fusion to top things off. Now playing Make A Jazz Noise Here.
...need.... more... Zappa....
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Only have Yellow Shark and CP3 left now... Tried to play Halloween but it won't work on my laptop.
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Played Yellow Shark and Imaginary Diseases yesterday. Am now listening to Zappa Wazoo.
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Having dissected that so called Sleep Dirt section on Don't Eat There I'm willing to accept it's the germ of the piece. It's no where near the kind of
revelation associated with years of listening to Bwana Dik then getting Lumpy Gravy and listening to both for many more years after that before
finally realising the main middle section of Bwana Dik is a completely revamped Doudenum.
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Last year Zappadan marked the passing of Captain Beefheart. This year, while Motorhead is hopefully still breathing, the world's greatest Zappa-fan,
Vaclav Havel, is lost.
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Hmm... I hear some continuity between Billy The Mountain and Penis Dimension.
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polydigm - you got me there! 
last night an old friend showed up and I just let the zappa play and play
Joe's Garage
Orchestral Favorites
Shiek Yerbouti
Sleep Dirt
Studio Tan
Zappa In New York
Zoot Allures
Bongo Fury
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Yesterday I played Wazoo, Humour DVD and the first Hammersmith disk, am now playing disk 2. I played Hammersmith fairly recently, when I made the
alternative cover.
"You're so boring you must be walking in your sleep!"
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Played disk 3 of Hammersmith yesterday and am thinking of checking out some DVDs before I'll tackle CP3.
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Happy Birthday Frank!!
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Now playing: Token Of His Extreme DVD.
Why? Halloween doesn't work on my computer, and nor does Dub Room Special. Token is definitely not a DVD to watch, with a complete disregard towards
epileptic Zappa-fans, but it's running in the background while I type on my writings.
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the other day,
One Size Fits All
and O-S, YCTDTOSA 2, A('), too
but I have not had the time to sit down and finish this like I thought.
But I got pretty close.
I like the lettering of your stylized leaflet Bonny.^
There's another version of my guitar that's different from the official releases and the clips on youtube that you should hear. late '76, early '77.
More tension. The halloween '76 version has Bianca too.
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Yeah it's more than you think! I remember the first time, when I had like four days left to play all those double albums... that really gets you
nuts.
Last night I played Lost Episodes, today I watched 200 Motels and will play CP3 this evening. Yesterday I was so mixed up I thought it was the 21st
already.
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